Scope Check

[CaptainMal]

Alex ... Any chance of you putting that scope check on your website for those that missed it.

To others, I have a Signature Post-Lock. it does work with one issue. If you move it say .5 MOA it does move and stay put. Sometimes .5 MOA, sometimes .75, .25 etc. Once locked it is locked but that process seemed to affect just where it locks.

 

[dmoran]

@Greyfox -
As you suspect, the POI shifting is more commonly seen on used scopes, but not always. Problem is 2 part: first the POI shifting issue can be of minor amounts, that one might not even notice unless checking for it. The other part is NF has gave a few pretty bad run around, denial of issues, and returned scopes not fixed.
It's a sad deal... IMO
Donovan

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Alex ... Any chance of you putting that scope check on your website for those that missed it.

To others, I have a Signature Post-Lock. it does work with one issue. If you move it say .5 MOA it does move and stay put. Sometimes .5 MOA, sometimes .75, .25 etc. Once locked it is locked but that process seemed to affect just where it locks.

Nope. I dont need to be ground zero for NF's problems. I will post future tests of scopes and there may or may not be more NF scopes in there depending on what is available. Bottom line it was a very small sample of scopes and it opened all of our eyes. I expect there to be an awful lot of scope testers in use very soon. I think we'll see lots of test results posted. All that matters if what your scope does. If I sold a solid NF comp scope for no good reason I'd be kicking myself.

 

[ccooper]

Man, this is disappointing. I have a new rifle on the way soon and had pretty much settled on the NF Comp till now. I had looked thru and handled one a few months ago and was super impressed. Comp, Golden Eagle, March, Sightron ....which now? Thanks Alex Wheeler for your time and for bringing this to our attention. Hopefully after the drama settles down, everybody (including the scope manufacturers) will figure this out and we'll all be better off for it.

 

[rifleman3]

Man, this is disappointing. I have a new rifle on the way soon and had pretty much settled on the NF Comp till now. I had looked thru and handled one a few months ago and was super impressed. Comp, Golden Eagle, March, Sightron ....which now? Thanks Alex Wheeler for your time and for bringing this to our attention. Hopefully after the drama settles down, everybody (including the scope manufacturers) will figure this out and we'll all be better off for it.

I would not hesitate to buy a comp scope or any good quality glass this does not make me think twice of the scopes I have.

 

[Monte F]

Id love to test the leupold 7-42 if someone wants to send one out....

Alex, I would send you mine but it is on my F/TR rifle. Appears to be holding POA at the moment but am curious how it would fair on the tester. Below is a five shot group at 200 yds. with a 10mph wind from 180 degrees blowing my target back. 1st shot is the high right one. Was just getting scope zeroed to a new barrel.
Monte

 

[Jet]

I am surprised to hear that...I guess anything can go bad. I just always stuck to the Mark 4 fixed 10X because back in the late 80's early 90's that was the scope everyone was using on all the then new 50 cal bmg bolt guns. I figured if it would hold zero on a 50 cal it should work for my 308. It was also one of the first scopes you could get with mil-dots. Premier Reticles put the mil dot reticle in them.

Let me ask this...is there a particular scope that:

A. Is easy or easier than others to lock up solid for use as a test base??? and

B. Don't cost too terrible much money???

....we don't need the thing to be made with Schott glass a 34mm tube and special coatings for testing.

This particular scope was one of the fixed 10X you mention and it was mounted on a 12lb 308 rifle. We have other Mark 4s with higher magnification on them on 107s (50BMG) and I have yet to see one of them fail.

Rich

 

[Jet]

Just FYI here in case anyone is interested. I spoke with Bob Brackney today. He is still freezing scopes and placing them in his mounts. He is limited to the stock he has on hand since his CNC guy passed away. His contact # is (928) 684-3255. I have a fixed 36X Leupold that I will send him tomorrow. He quoted $525 for the work and that includes return shipping.

Good Shooting

Rich

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Did you ask him what models he'll freeze?

 

[rifleman3]

There's quite a few in the classifieds for real cheap if you'd like a few more

Tom

No sir don't need any right now I have one extra at present if any of mine take a puke thanks for the heads up on availability though.

 

[Jet]

Did you ask him what models he'll freeze?

Leupold 36s and the competition models. He may do others but we didn't discuss that. I started to go down that path and asked how much MOA his mounts provide wanting to discuss application for mid range and long range shooting. He advised that once the scopes get set they should not be adjusted and they work best when centered in their mounts. He recommended shims be used if longer ranges were desired.

I've never used and frozen scope so can't speak to specifics but what he was telling me made sense. He said the SR BR folks that use his scopes hold off vs click when shooting.

Rich

 

[ccooper]

I would not hesitate to buy a comp scope or any good quality glass this does not make me think twice of the scopes I have.

Sorry, but it does me. Hate to spend 4K plus on a rifle and then another couple grand or more on the scope and have any doubts.

 

[msinc]

"Regarding the dual pic-rail "scope checker" which appears to mount on another picatinny or weaver rail, it seems to create more questions than it solves."

It just gets better as it goes!

Yeah, I mean, as if swearing by a tool where you stick a poorly spring loaded steel rod in your muzzle and attaching a "collimator" to it that is held true by means of a small wingnut to repeat isn't bad enough......the idea that someone who spends any time shooting scoped rifles can look at a scope checker and not "get it" in less than say 15 minutes........well....GD!!!!!!!! It's like, Dude!!! What is your main question?????

 

[Joe Salt]

Alex PM sent.

Joe Salt

 

[rifleman3]

Well gentleman here I go I have followed this post an have heard some interesting facts about the current scope tests that a very respectful person in did. In the short range disciplines the test done is very important .020 thousands is critical I don't know the full details of how much movement there was in these long range scopes were at the distance they were shot but I am going to give you guys a testimony of something I wittnessed personally I was at a match in which a shooter accidentally knocked his rifle off of the bench an litteraly bent his scope tube he went to the line during the sighted period an could not see his hits on the bank at a 1000yd match he was at least 30 feet high they stopped the relay to verify that his shots were not on the targets I bore sighted his rifle at the bank an got him on the bank he proceeded to win the relay for group an won the shoot off he sent the scope back to the manufacturer an explained to them what he did the charged him about 250dollars to repair the scope an he was pleased with the cost because the failure was not there fault the moral to this story is don't judge a book by its cover.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

rifleman3,

The worst offender moved .25moa. I dont believe anyone would willingly give up .25 moa for anything. Now if you were to take 5 shots to let it settle in, then maybe it would only cost you .15-.2 moa. That was only a small sample (4) so I am not saying they all are like that.

 

[rifleman3]

rifleman3,

The worst offender moved .25moa. I dont believe anyone would willingly give up .25 moa for anything. Now if you were to take 5 shots to let it settle in, then maybe it would only cost you .15-.2 moa. That was only a small sample (4) so I am not saying they all are like that.

Thanks I remembered part of your test but not tottaly.