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The gun you are talking about is a hunting gun. just like a Remington. The 3 screws tells me it should have a red blade trigger. with 1 1/6 shank on the barrel. You can put any pre fit barrel on it that that takes .473 bolt face. The red blade trigger will adjust safely to one pound or less. Only the new Remington have trigger adjustment. The old ones can be adjusted or replaced Both void factory safety standards. Most factory Savages shoot better then Remington. If you want a true target gun buy or build a custom. LarryCarolina Man said:
jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
Eric,we all know that the trigger is lousy without modification,your first statement made that clear.As the savage threads play out and you get more into protecting your opinion you make over and over trying to argue it out.You just said you don't understand why people take it to heart about insulting their personal equipment day in and day out.Its fine if you make your point and let it lay.There are some of us who get great fun out of toying around with this stuff.I wish someone would introduce a complete bolt and trigger set up to rid the gun of its weak point but it is doubtful.We need a mechanical engineer to start over and come up with a reasonable solution.Please,if you know that you are agitating folks then let it lay so we can talk about what we love which is savage rifles.Like them or not they are here to stay.
jonbearman said:
+1...That could not have been said any better!!!......AMEN!!!
Carolina Man said:
I'm not certain, since I've only owned one Savage with the Target Accutrigger, but I think that on the Target Accutrigger, the "safety blade" trigger is orange/red, but on the regular Accutrigger, the "safety blade" trigger (not sure of proper term) is gray or some other color.
On my Model 12 F Class, there is also etching on the receiver warning that it has a TARGET TRIGGER with very light pull...not sure, but that etched warning may be standard on Target Accutrigger-equipped rifles.
The supposed "Accutrigger" on my Savage 22 rimfire is junk, and I was very disappointed in it, having assumed that it would be at least close to my Target Accutrigger. It's not, and I hate it, though I haven't tried cleaning it up yet.
But my Target Accutrigger is the best-feeling trigger I have ever used, which includes Timneys, Model 70s, etc (though I have never used any of the triggers that cost practically as much as a new truck and probably never will).
I'm not sure what self-respecting shooter feels a need to adjust a trigger down to 1.5 ounces but that's just me.
rjtfroggy
Gold $$ Contributor
Carolina Man what you are looking at is a varment action gun so all this talk of extremely low trigger pull is not relevant, trigger on that gun is only made to go down to 1.5 lbs. I have 4 of them all set just under that weight and all function perfectly. I have a few with heavier triggers and they function like they are made too,and 1 target action factory set at 8oz. and it also is flawless.
In all at this point of time I own 14 Savages and have no complaints on any of them. Yes I modified most but that was only stock changes because I like the laminate stocks better than plastic ones.
Don't listen to Eric if it isn't custom or Remington or a clone according to him it is junk(if you want proof search his posts or the Savage posts). All triggers will malfunction when screwed with but the accutrigger won't fire unless you really screw it up, and that is the way it is designed to work.
Go to www.savageshooters.com and ask this same question and everyone will say jump on it, including me. The BVSS is a fine rifle and anything you want to do afterwards you could probably do yourself.
Almost forgot the third screw if behind the trigger only there to hold the trigger guard in place.
My 0.02 buy it, shoot and enjoy a very accurate factory rifle.
In all at this point of time I own 14 Savages and have no complaints on any of them. Yes I modified most but that was only stock changes because I like the laminate stocks better than plastic ones.
Don't listen to Eric if it isn't custom or Remington or a clone according to him it is junk(if you want proof search his posts or the Savage posts). All triggers will malfunction when screwed with but the accutrigger won't fire unless you really screw it up, and that is the way it is designed to work.
Go to www.savageshooters.com and ask this same question and everyone will say jump on it, including me. The BVSS is a fine rifle and anything you want to do afterwards you could probably do yourself.
Almost forgot the third screw if behind the trigger only there to hold the trigger guard in place.
My 0.02 buy it, shoot and enjoy a very accurate factory rifle.
I compete with a Savage 30BR built on a 3 screw action (target action w/red blade Accutrigger) a 7BR Striker and a Remington XP in 25 BR and Shilen trigger.
The Shilen 2oz trigger - sweet.
The red blade Accutrigger - very nice
The Striker - added a Jard trigger & sear ok.
I do love my Savage's but the trigger will never be a safe 2oz, they can be very good at 1#. For f-Class buy a stock from Carl Bernosky and read up on tuning a Savage trigger and you will be a happy shooter.
Go for it.
The Shilen 2oz trigger - sweet.
The red blade Accutrigger - very nice
The Striker - added a Jard trigger & sear ok.
I do love my Savage's but the trigger will never be a safe 2oz, they can be very good at 1#. For f-Class buy a stock from Carl Bernosky and read up on tuning a Savage trigger and you will be a happy shooter.
Go for it.
Erik Cortina
Team Lapua Brux Borden Captain
rjtfroggy, you made me LOL!
Of course if he goes to the Savage loving forum they will tell him to get a Savage, duh! What do you think they will tell him at Benchrestcentral? I'm willing to bet any accuracy inclined forum will have many members that oppose Savage.
Telling him to go to Savageshooters.com and ask about a Savage is like telling a drunk to go to a bar and ask if they think he has a drinking problem! ;D
Of course if he goes to the Savage loving forum they will tell him to get a Savage, duh! What do you think they will tell him at Benchrestcentral? I'm willing to bet any accuracy inclined forum will have many members that oppose Savage.
Telling him to go to Savageshooters.com and ask about a Savage is like telling a drunk to go to a bar and ask if they think he has a drinking problem! ;D
Erik Cortina
Team Lapua Brux Borden Captain
nosualc said:
I heard that he tried for years to come up with a trigger for a Savage but could never make it work due to their trigger system. I will see Mr. Jewell next week at a match, I'll try to remember to ask him.
Go back and RE-READ the thread. The OP specifically asked Cortina in 2 separate posts to explain his statements on the accutrigger. Then come the insults from the Savage crowd.......he NEVER said it was junk..... just bad design... ..he even said to buy it based on qualification.
The posts by those with experience with Savages that support Erics contentions go completely ignored.
When challenged about proving his remarks, Cortina provides convincing arguments.
The OP admitted he thought Savages were "ugly"......not surprising since he owns a few "bench" guns with Jewell triggers....the fact is that word, ugly, is used by the majority of shooters in describing Savages. What is so hard to comprehend that the OP may have a difficult time getting used to a trigger that is foreign to him, he cannot adjust down to his comfort level.
The OP specifically asked for a comparison to the Remington 700........Cortina's comments were based on the availability of good aftermarket triggers...he never compared Savage to customs actions.
This particular model Savage is designed for "target" shooting....hence a high level of accuracy is expected. Therefore it is not out of reason to compare factory based actions as commonly see in the realm of competition. You cannot argue the fact that Remington has won the most "wood" in Registered Bench Competition, followed distantly by Sako. Savage wins are infinitesimal....matter of fact they do not even show up in short-range REGISTERED competition. Facts are facts....you can spend hours reviewing old match reports (like I did) and try to find Savage successes.....but one 20th place at the FISS Super Shoot and a very few LR wins does not a competitive action make. Some non-competitors may not understand, but to win it's all about the AGG.....it has to shoot well ..ALL DAY LONG.....with absolutely NO flyers...none..zilch.
The posts by those with experience with Savages that support Erics contentions go completely ignored.
When challenged about proving his remarks, Cortina provides convincing arguments.
The OP admitted he thought Savages were "ugly"......not surprising since he owns a few "bench" guns with Jewell triggers....the fact is that word, ugly, is used by the majority of shooters in describing Savages. What is so hard to comprehend that the OP may have a difficult time getting used to a trigger that is foreign to him, he cannot adjust down to his comfort level.
The OP specifically asked for a comparison to the Remington 700........Cortina's comments were based on the availability of good aftermarket triggers...he never compared Savage to customs actions.
This particular model Savage is designed for "target" shooting....hence a high level of accuracy is expected. Therefore it is not out of reason to compare factory based actions as commonly see in the realm of competition. You cannot argue the fact that Remington has won the most "wood" in Registered Bench Competition, followed distantly by Sako. Savage wins are infinitesimal....matter of fact they do not even show up in short-range REGISTERED competition. Facts are facts....you can spend hours reviewing old match reports (like I did) and try to find Savage successes.....but one 20th place at the FISS Super Shoot and a very few LR wins does not a competitive action make. Some non-competitors may not understand, but to win it's all about the AGG.....it has to shoot well ..ALL DAY LONG.....with absolutely NO flyers...none..zilch.
Okay, guys I think I got the point. The triggers leave a lot to be desired. And no after market triggers available. This trigger does not have the Red blade. Just a silver colored blade.
The idea behind my buying this rifle is for a Varmint gun. To be made into a 243 Ai or 6 mm SLR. I do not like Jewell triggers for Varmint guns Get dirt in them and they won't hold. Buy a Shelien hunting trigger for a varmint gun. Rem or a custom. I have enough custom actions to play with. Both Hall and Farley's
The biggest advantage for me in this gun is the ability for me to change barrels without going to a gunsmith. If not that then I would not buy it.
Any changes that might be worth while to make this gun shoot at it's best. I did see the comments about bedding the stock.
Thanks to all who posted.
George
The idea behind my buying this rifle is for a Varmint gun. To be made into a 243 Ai or 6 mm SLR. I do not like Jewell triggers for Varmint guns Get dirt in them and they won't hold. Buy a Shelien hunting trigger for a varmint gun. Rem or a custom. I have enough custom actions to play with. Both Hall and Farley's
The biggest advantage for me in this gun is the ability for me to change barrels without going to a gunsmith. If not that then I would not buy it.
Any changes that might be worth while to make this gun shoot at it's best. I did see the comments about bedding the stock.
Thanks to all who posted.
George
Erik Cortina
Team Lapua Brux Borden Captain
Carolina Man, like I said earlier, they do make aftermarket triggers but they are not reliable. Just keep the factory trigger at about one pound and you should be fine. Bed the action to the stock and don't take it any further. You can also replace the ugly bolt knob, that makes them look a little better.
Should be a fun rig to chase pests with .... One thing I would offer is to do away with the barrel nut (gasp) yes get rid of it... Have your smith mate it properly so you can start out at 1.1250" ...
If your argument is that you want the ability to change your own barrels due to being able to install and headspace on your own then having said that , you'd be going with a Pre-fit barrel with a generic chamber.. Up to you I suppose but if it's worth doing it's worth doing rite.
Pay particular attention to proper torque tuning of the receiver screws , float the tang area and ensure the firing pin travel isn't too excessive , most of the ones I see protrude far too deep and will give you fits reading primers etc...
Good luck
If your argument is that you want the ability to change your own barrels due to being able to install and headspace on your own then having said that , you'd be going with a Pre-fit barrel with a generic chamber.. Up to you I suppose but if it's worth doing it's worth doing rite.
Pay particular attention to proper torque tuning of the receiver screws , float the tang area and ensure the firing pin travel isn't too excessive , most of the ones I see protrude far too deep and will give you fits reading primers etc...
Good luck
The red blade actions are 1.350 diameter and the barrel shank is 1 /16 or around 1.120 the lug hole is 1 .125. I don't feel a1.250 barrel is big enough for a good shoulder. For that reason I use the nut. Larry
I have two both go to 3 oz or less. They look and adjust like my Jewells. When I hear about all the aftermarket triggers be junk and un safe I just consider the SOURCE. Larry
I do not know what to say but I have had no problems at all with my red blade Savage Target Triggers on my two Savage Target rifles, one a .308 and the other a 6BR both of which are set to 4oz. I guess I do not slam the bolt or pull the trigger slightly to the side like some people have mention. I have fired close to 4000 rounds, have had no problems at 4oz trigger pull and see no reason to change anything. I am not sure what I am doing different but what I do works for me and I have adapted to that trigger.
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