Remington Trigger Recall: Has anyone got their rifle back?

[Area Man]

This thread came up the day after I boxed up my M700 Win Mag 300 CDL.

I filled out the on-line form and the box and paper work never showed up. So I called Remington and they sent me the stuff UPS.

I debated about not sending it back, because I'm not really concerned about an AD and I may end up replacing the trigger someday anyway.

But I decided that I wanted the paper trail that I had returned a recalled firearm to the factory for repair. Even if I don't ever sell it, I'm not going to live forever and someone else will someday own the rifle.

 

[gorji]

Hi Area Man:
Did you get your rifle back?
Gorji

 

[Old Navy]

Re: Remington Trigger Recall: Has anyone their rifle back?

I guess I'm confused.

With this many guns they recalled, what do you guys suggest they do?

If they issued replacement guns, they'd be bankrupt.

Its going to take time to fix almost every 700 sold since 2006.

+111 on that. Later! Frank

 

[ebb]

This is what happens when a huge corporation takes control and fires all the skilled labor and hires minimum wage help to build a complex product. Would you expect a bean counter to have a plan to fix these guns in a satisfactory way when it will hurt bottom line. The acquisition of Remington , Marlin, DPMS, and all the others was all about bottom line and nothing else. With all these guns in a warehouse no one will get hurt so no law suits at least for injuries. I bet the bean counter that dreamed this up is proud of him/her self.

 

[snakepit]

This is what happens when a huge corporation takes control and fires all the skilled labor and hires minimum wage help to build a complex product.

The United Mine Workers who represent the union workers at the Remington plant in Ilton, N.Y. had a article in their Sep/Oct 2013 magazine about how their highly skilled work force had gone from 640 to 1300 and counting since 2007. It is a long article that details among other things the quality control at their plant. This article does not seem to reflect your views of Remington and its work force. I do not live there or work there so I am not sure who is correct you or the union.

 

[Area Man]

Hi Area Man:
Did you get your rifle back?
Gorji

No just sent it.

 

[ebb]

When I joined the international brotherhood of carpenters and joiners of America. I was told to get 6d common nails, I had to ask which ones they were. My point is anyone can be a union member, They all have to start some where. They moved marlin and lost all the guys that knew how to put one together right, and marlins are crap today, they even stopped production for a while they had so many come backs. If you had the choice of a like new rem made 30 years ago or one made under the current regime what would you pick? A few years ago they made a gun with a triangular barrel, do you want the guy that came up with that idea to be designing or assembling your gun? I have more Remingtons than anything but a new one I am not to sure about. I am not a basher, well a savage basher, but Remington deserves this.

 

[snakepit]

This is what happens when a huge corporation takes control and fires all the skilled labor and hires minimum wage help to build a complex product.

I think I understand the point you are trying to make but making a statement that infers that Remington has fired all their skilled labor and replaced them with minimum wage workers to build a complex product detracts from the argument you are trying to make.

 

[ebb]

The Truth About Guns web site had several stories claiming just that same thing last week. I saw it on frugals forums and they claimed that all of the AAC employees were fired last week, and DPMS would be close behind as production of DPMS is going to the new Huntsville plant. Gun assembly will stop at the DPMS plant in ST Cloud Minn in Sept. and parts manufacture will end there in April next year. It is well know that all of Marlins employees were left when the company moved into one of Remingtons newer manufacturing facilities.

 

[gorji]

Just an update: I called Remi. No new news. No information if any have been fixed. No info on where I am on queue.

Before I get accused of whining, I think that lack of information is poor form by the manufacturer. It would make the wait easier if I know I would have it by hunting season.

If anyone has got any additional info, I would be appreciative if you post it here.

 

[Outrider27]

With the wide availability of aftermarket triggers for Remingtons, my personal opinion is that not keeping track of customer's rifles better so that they can be pulled out of the line and returned for fitting of an alternative trigger is really poor, given how long this is dragging on. I don't have one in the que, but I went to a local sporting goods store 2 weeks ago that advertised a really good price on 700 ADLs (just looking for the doner action) and they informed me that there were none in their system - they had all gone back for the recall, but the ad and sale were scheduled before the recall.

Maybe Lady Luck is trying to tell me it's time for another custom action....

 

[gorji]

Yesterday I got an email from Remington telling me to expect a box for returning my rifle to them. Of course my rifle has been with Remi since 4/18/2014. I informed Remi of my intent to repair the rifle 4/16 or 4/17 then I found out about a center 1 hour from my house. I took my piece there.

 

[M14AMU]

Easy solution!

Take the friggin trigger out.....and order a Jewel!!

 

[wrangler5]

With the wide availability of aftermarket triggers for Remingtons, my personal opinion is that not keeping track of customer's rifles better so that they can be pulled out of the line and returned for fitting of an alternative trigger is really poor, given how long this is dragging on.

Since the entire process is lawyer/liabiity driven, there is absoluely ZERO chance that Remington would ever let go of a "defective" rifle once it was back in their possession. No matter who you are and what you promise to do to it to fix whatever problem it may have been recalled for. Imagine the plaintiff lawyer's questioning in some wrongful death suit: "So, Mr. Remington, you recalled this rifle because it was defective, you had it in your possession to repair the defect, and still you sent that defective rifle back out to Mr. X WITHOUT fixing it, and it killed poor little Johnny Jones. Why did you do that?"

No, Remington issued a recall for a known defect, and any defective product they get their hands on they're going to KEEP until they can fix it THEMSELVES. Even if they keep your rifle for 10 years, the most you can sue 'em for is the loss of its use, for which the remedy is to just buy a new rifle. I would guess you can buy something comparable to a Remington 700 for ~$1K, and if so then that's the upper limit of the damages you can claim from Remington for delaying your repair. Very few people are actually going to file a lawsuit for that little, and even if they do, Remington can settle thousands of 'em for less than a single "you sent out a gun you knew was defective and it killed somebody" lawsuit. That's just the reality of the business climate we, and Remington, live in these days.

 

[titanxt]

I am also a Remington Model 7 owner who is affected by this recall. I have the shipping box, but I am waiting to ship. Why can't we just send them the trigger since that is the faulty part??

Andy

 

[Area Man]

I am also a Remington Model 7 owner who is affected by this recall. I have the shipping box, but I am waiting to ship. Why can't we just send them the trigger since that is the faulty part??

Andy

For the same reason they recalled the rifles in the first place. Liability. They are not going to trust a "non-certified" person to disassemble and reassemble the firearm.

 

[NateHaler]

I am also a Remington Model 7 owner who is affected by this recall. I have the shipping box, but I am waiting to ship. Why can't we just send them the trigger since that is the faulty part??

Andy

Copied directly from the Remington recall page on their website: "Remington has determined that some Model 700 and Model Seven rifles with XMP triggers could, under certain circumstances, unintentionally discharge. A Remington investigation has determined that some XMP triggers might have excess bonding agent used in the assembly process."

I wonder how many Forum members have perhaps never taken their rifle apart even to the limited extent of removing the barreled action from the stock?

If I had such a rifle, I would remove the barreled action, and then examine the trigger, and then clean it myself. If you look at a trigger schematic, you'll realize there is not much to such basic maintenance. It would take a reasonably handy person less time to remedy the situation themselves then it would to box up the rifle and take it to UPS. I would no more send Remington the rifle under this circumstance than I would take my car to the dealer so they could make sure its air filter wasn't installed upside down.

OTOH, some people don't even know how to fix their own flat tire. Without AAA and/or a cell phone, they'd be as stranded as the Donner party.

Do what you gotta, but there's an easy fix for the Remington recall.

 

[Snuggie]

Amen to that BOhio!!! One could bring to a gunsmith to clean if they can't do it themselves or worst case (not really a bad one) get a Jewell!!!! End of story!

 

[dannyr3_8]

i too replaced trigger myself used the new calvin elite by timney very nice improvement

 

[NateHaler]

Amen!

If you're the kind of rifle shooter who wouldn't want somebody else installing your scope and mounts, then you can certainly tackle cleaning or replacing your faulty Rem trigger. There's helpful videos on YouTube, etc.

Remington will have thousands upon thousands of these rifles to receive, store, work on, ship out, and who's to say that the trigger will truly come back better than it was? (yes, I'm cynical as hell, sorry...)