The new BVSS is a nine twist, not sure about older models.
Ready for new rifle. 223 - Savage vs Howa
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Just to make the choice harder, for those that are saying to choose the savage over the howa because you can easily change barrels. Mcgowen and CBI both make "howage" barrels with barrel nuts.
http://criterionbarrels.com/prefits/howa
http://mcgowenbarrel.com/the-howage/
http://criterionbarrels.com/prefits/howa
http://mcgowenbarrel.com/the-howage/
Bought a cheap Howa last year and after struggling to achieve decent groups I scoped the chamber and discovered an eccentric bore-chamber relationship. Sent rifle in for warranty service and Howa sent a new unit after admitting the chamber has "issues". Received new Howa and it also has chamber eccentricity "issues". I've never seen this type of thing with the several Savages I've owned. I will never purchase another Howa.
Cryhavoc
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Instead of buying the Savage BVSS, I would suggest as others have, to purchase just a Savage Action and go from there....the stock on the BVSS, especially the grip area was so fat for me, I couldn't get a consistent "hold" on it...plus the blind magazine...those were my two "cons" regarding the BVSS....
Just out of my curiosity, how fo you find the eccentricity issue?
Easily determined by looking at lands as they fade in the leade. If some lands extend beyond others in a sine pattern then the bore-chamber relationship is not true.
snert
Silver $$ Contributor
Well, if that is true, and I have no way to doubt it, then that explains the TC 223 barrel I had. I looked at it with borescope after trying to get it to shoot under 4 inches! I chalked that up to factory crap and shipped it off.
I bought an XR-100 in .204 when they first came out. Didn't like the 12" twist and didn't like the then available brass, so I built a 20 Tac with a very heavy 26" Krieger with a 10" twist, and used Lapua brass - I could shoot it in benchrest matches, it is that good. The XR-100 action is an excellent choice to build on.
I have a Howa, that started life as a 308, its now a 6.5x47 lapua, I just had my gun smith rebarrel it. He is a very high end custom gun builder. And in his words he was way impressed with the Howa action and Stock that is pillar bedded. He put on a 26"35 brux 4R barrel with a muzzle break. I have not got to shoot the Brux barrel yet can't wait. It lived one year with a Pac Nor 6.5x47 barrel and was very impressive. So can wait to see what this does. Hard to Beat a Howa.I’ve been doing a lot of searching on the net and forums for a new rifle. The main purpose will be for ground squirrels and prairie dogs at distances beyond what my 17 HMR and 22 Mag cannot reach. I haven’t seen recent reviews, (2017 or 2018) of the two rifles side by side. I have decided on the .223 Remington since I have dies and lots of cases already.
This is what I’m looking at:
1. .223 cal. 1-12 twist
2. Ground squirrels & prairie dogs.
3. Scope will be either a Vortex PST FFP 6-24x50 or Sightron 10-50x60. I have both scopes now.
4. Will be shooting 40 to 50 grain bullets.
5. Howa 1500 Varminter Supreme HWR95112 or Savage 12 BVSS
6. Will add replacement trigger for either rifle. Not a fan at all of the accu trigger.
Both rifles get good reviews on the accuracy. Some favor the Howa action over the Savage. I’ve never owned either one, but was able to handle a Savage in the store the other day. While it was not a 223 or the model I wanted, the action did not feel smooth at all and it didn’t lock up smoothly either. I know with the Savage, I can change barrels if so inclined, but I’m not interested in changing calibers.
Any input would be appreciated.
Can you get a 223 with a 12" twist? Don't get me wrong, I prefer a 12" twist since I like to shoot 50 and 55 grain bullets but it seems all the manufacturer's are producing 8" and 9" twists in the 223 Rem these days.
+1 for the Tikka's - great rifles - accurate - smooth bolt - good triggers - but they have an 8" twist.
+1 for the Tikka's - great rifles - accurate - smooth bolt - good triggers - but they have an 8" twist.
GSPV
A failure to plan is a plan for failure.
Ever think out of the box?
GSPV
A failure to plan is a plan for failure.
They are available for just about everything now. Specifically Remington and Tikka.
All the time,but I like to stay on topic when I see a specific question asked.
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