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Range Results

recent range results, all groups are 5-100yd.
Action:Hart
Barrel: pac nor 1-14 twist
Stock:mcmillian BR
GunSmith: Bob White
Load: lapua case, cci450 primer, RL10 powder, Charge 30.5gr, bullet 66gr fowler.
could not get to the range early in the morning,these groups were shot sun 8/8/10 3:30 in the afternoon till around 6:30pm. temp in mid 80's ,light winds. NO WIND FLAGS.
no wind flags because i was to lazy to set them up.looks like a .2128 agg to me.
what little bit of reading i have done thats good enough for 2nd place in several of the last bench shoots i could find. If these groups would have been shot in competition.
lost a shot on that .301 target or would have agg ed in the 180-190 range.
OH yea this is a 6BR.(.269nk).

The 1-14 twist 6BR is alive and well
And it can be competitive!
The .167 group is a group i fired the sunday before while i was sorting out a trigger problem
I been shooting the RL10 powder in the 6BR for about 6years now and thought everyone knew about it and was shooting it.Three rifles have shot it very well. The groups you see here today are week as to what this rifle and load can do. Can group into low 1's! And the best thing is its very consistent. I hope this proves the point i been trying to make to you.
Now dont buy up all my RL10 powder because i know how you guys are.
 

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Thanks klong. wow i thought i might get more reply's or input on this one. you guys just want me to go away.
Maybe i measured my targets wrong(im a rookie)
maybe the info on reg/bench shoots is wrong.
I have shot in a reg/bench shoot so i know how hard it
is to shoot in competition.
but i dont think you can doubt that the 6br can be
competitive at 100/200yds and it can win.
 
Go shoot a match with it and see how it stacks up. That will answer your questions.
 
you guys do realize if you showed up at a benchrest shoot and came in 2nd place,or my opion in the top 5 thats a preaty big accomplishment.It also means you just beat 90% of the top shooters and outshot 90% of the PPC rifles out there. So thats preaty big. So if you ask me if the 6br can be competitive in Benchrest against the ppc the answer is YES! If you ask me if it can win against the ppc,the answer is it has and it is highly possible. You cant doubt the ppc's accuracy or do i think the 6br will dethrone it. But in my part of the world it can shoot right wih it and even beat it.
 
Right now, at official BR matches, the winners are shooting 100 yd aggs in the low 1s with most of their groups in the zero's.

Get to 200 yds and you will see aggs in the low to mid twos.

So while I am with you on the accuracy of the 6mm BR, once you get into actual competition, the air becomes a little more rarified.

There is no doubt that a good shooter will beat a lot of middle of the pack 6PPCs, but day in and day out, the PPC will shoot the smaller aggs.

JMHO

Bob
 
bob you are wrong. the current pending world reccord agg is .1118
most matches are won with a high .180 to a vey low .200. with 2nd ,third, fourth,fith below .250 agg's.
 
EffJim, a wee bit of tact might keep you out of the muck here

FJIM said:
bob you are wrong. the current pending world reccord agg is .1118
most matches are won with a high .180 to a vey low .200. with 2nd ,third, fourth,fith below .250 agg's.
 
FJIM,

That is great that your rifle is shooting so well. I will look for your name at the top of the agg list at next years Super Shoot.

Bob
 
Negative nomo4me. nobody is shooting agg's in the low one's unless they are reccord breakers! bob i dont think i will be at the super shoot,unless to watch(witch i have done).But i might try to hit some local matches that i can find and try to put the BR at the top of the list.bullets have been ordered and powder has been secured.

Come on guys this aint about me(i cant shoot) This is about the cartridge and how accurarate it wants to be.This is about me giving up a great load to the world. and the secret is the 7ogive bullet wants to go fast.once the speed comes up on the bullet they go down the same hole.I want to try that watson bullet also. the velocity of this load is 3,500 fps. i been shooting the same cases for 6years and have never full length sized a BR case EVER!. I will quote a famous benchrest shooter. Why shoot the 6Br FOR 3.500FPS AND CASES THAT LAST FOREVER.
 
FJIM,

I am truly excited that you have a hot shooting 6mm BR rifle. It is a joy when the planets line up and you get a "Hummer" bbl that consistently shoots little groups. Like Tony Boyer and a lot of other BR shooters, take that bbl off and save it for the important matches you will attend. Don't wear it out shooting local club events, you may not get another bbl like that in your life! Cherish it.

Try another bbl and start working up loads and see if you can duplicate/discover another "Keeper" bbl and load. That is what the real competitors do.

If you go back over the last 25 years of BR shooting, there have been many individuals that have worked with the 6mm BR cartridge in BR matches. There are those who have had success. They have even won the Super Shoot with variations on the 6mm BR theme. Specifically the "Talldog".

The 6PPC is the tide and most will swim with it. There will always be the experimenters who ask "What if" and that is the life's blood of the sport. Ferris and Lou once were the "What Iffers".

A cartridge that was once considered "Dead" has come alive again, mostly in NRA HP or F-Class shooting where it is indeed a giant killer.

Bob
 
Gee thanks bob, i heard it all before. im sorry you fellows feel that way, and i do belive it to be true with the ppc cartridge,you need to find a barrel that will give you the velocity. I dont belive it to be true with the 6br.This is my second 6BR and both of them have shot this load as well as you see it. it was at the end of the other barrels life when i found this load. I have a new rifle in the works and will expect it to shoot better, because i now know better what rifle soots my shooting style and what works in the bench set up for me. this rifle has around 1,000 rounds through it now so a new one is in the works to replace it before it gets too tired. If you own a 6br with a 1-14 to 1-12 twist i would suggest you try this load and see for yourself what im telling you is true.
 
The results that you have shown us indicate that you, and the rifle are short range benchrest competitive. You are to be congratulated. What Bob3700 posted earlier about benchrest groups and aggs is in my experience, (reading match results) inaccurate. If you like, shoot it at matches. IMO, if you drive it well, you will do well. It has been a long time since very many shooters were competing in short range benchrest with a 6BR. Powders have changed. Bullet shapes have evolved. Your results do not need any validation. They are what they are. If someone thinks they are unlikely, or unusual, invite them to a match. It may get very quiet. Good luck.
 
FJIM said:
Anyone give the RL10 powder a try in their 6BR

Two thoughts.

I live where we have significant temperature changes, and I find it difficult to deal with the temperature sensitivity of RL powders, and have stuck with Varget. To my level of sophistication, it is just too difficult to keep track of the ambient temperature, the actual temperature of the cartridge before you load it, and what temperature it is in your warm/hot chamber by the time you pull the trigger. The node I have worked with seems quite narrow and I can't afford to miss on velocity by a significant amount to keep the groups tight.

On 6 PPC vs 6BR, the cartridges are so close in dimensions it is not worth debating which is better. I suspect what it comes down to if all other thing are held equal, is that 95% of the competitors are shooting 6 PPC. So just based on simple statistics, 6 PPC is going to win 95% of the time. i.e. you win with what you shoot.
 
Thank you boyd.. ronaka, i live where the temp,humidity,bar/press can change hourly.right now its -0- deg Berrrr im trying to keep warm.. actually i have taken all the readings at the range with my weather/wind meter and pluged them in to my sierra program and it said unstable environment..lol yea it did. That why i could never get my ppc's to shoot well conisstently.Yea it can change from 30deg in the morning to 75deg in the afternoon,I could go on and on.No i have not had temperature problems with the load,it just seems to work well and in both of my BR's and in my buddys, also shot it very well.As a matter of fact i was thinking about going tomorrow afternoon to shoot at 200yds very cold -0- and the load will be the same 30.5 grs. You fellows seem to call it a node I call it a range,say from 29.0gr to 31.0 grs seems to shoot well( 31.0grs being HOT) Thats Big in a little case. I been chrony n this load at say @75-85deg at 3,515-3,530FPS now thats with that 66gr fowler bullet, i been getting about the same with the 65 v-max for varmit hunting and that is the only bullets i have shot with it. And there maybe some truth about the powder burning alittle dirty,i never had a problem with it because i clean every 15 rounds but i did notice a little in the throat here lately that i had to JB out,but really attribute it to age and wear on the barrel because i have never noticed it before,so i cant say.
 
One of these days I'm going to have Bob White build a gun for me. He is probably the top guy in NJ. I've been to his shop a few times and I've seen a few of his guns shoot at Cherry Ridge Range in NJ. Lots of one hole groups.

I'm going to try that recipe in my cooper 6br 14 twist. I have everything except the 66gr fowlers.
 
dlong..GOOD.. i am sure you wont be disappointed.. If you dont have any 66 fowlers, try the 65gr v-max. note the 65 v-max like to jump .020..Try them where you want and if they dont shoot well, jump em .020.Let me know how it shoots for you.
 

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