Question about shipping a pistol

[xdshooter]

t700 call the atf and your state police, i have no reason to tell you anything but the truth, please dont ship a handgun till you check, you will see the proper way is ffl to ffl, you can also verify it on gunsamerica and gunbroker ok. Just dont ship till you find out.

 

[Erud]

t700 call the atf and your state police, i have no reason to tell you anything but the truth, please dont ship a handgun till you check, you will see the proper way is ffl to ffl, you can also verify it on gunsamerica and gunbroker ok. Just dont ship till you find out.

I don't know why you're so adamant about this, it's just not true. The quote below(from the ATF's website, no less) is dealing only with non-licensees(private citizens) and clearly states that a non-licensee may ship a firearm by contract or common carrier, and that a contract or common carrier MUST be used if said firearm is a handgun. There is nothing else in the answer to distinguish a handgun from any other firearm and nothing stating that it needs to go FFL to FFL. Again, the question in the FAQ addresses how a non-FFL can ship a firearm.

Like i said above, I have shipped many handguns to FFL's and have not had a problem and have had several different local FFL's receive and transfer handguns for me from non-FFL's over the years, also with no problem. The only time I have ever had to use an FFL to ship a handgun was to a dealer in NY state at the request of that dealer. Your state(NY) may have laws that prohibit it, but the feds do not. Your misunderstanding of the law does not change the law.

Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

 

[xdshooter]

Im not arguing just telling t700 to check i am a ffl dealer and 21 yr veteran Us Marshal i know the laws, he needs to verify with his state police and atf office

 

[Mark S in NM]

I have been an 01 FFL for 11 years. I recently had a compliance check. The head investigator that's what they call them now days in charge had 6 newbie field agents they pulled for increased compliance checking down here on border, I'm 35 miles form Mexico. Long story short one newb commented I had a LOT of private entries on receipt side of my bound books I guess he figured it out because if I receive from an FFL I include his license # and thought he had a major violaton and an atta boy coming, proud as a peacock. The head investigator doing the teaching/check dressed him down Marine boot camp style for not knowing the law. Advised all it's perfectly legal for FFL to receive from private he also stressed "To hell with receipt side concentrate 99% on the disposition side". Came away ZERO violations.

 

[xdshooter]

Good luck t700

 

[T 700]

WOW!! Thanks for all the advice, i will check with a FFL in VA, that is were i live, about shipping it. Just don't want to get into trouble shipping it. I have shipped long guns before, But never a pistol. It's good to know i have a place to ask questions and people will take the time to answer back.

Thanks T 700

 

[artbosco]

Outdoorsman,

This is from a quick guide from my UPS account:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html

The Laws that govern this "requirement" are under Title 18 U.S.C. and are outlined in the post above and on the UPS link.

Jon and Taildrag15X,

United Parcel Service is only referencing Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code to define what a Firearm is, what a Licensed Dealer, Licensed Collector, and Licensed Manufacturer, etc., is.

The requirement mandating the use of 2ND Day Air is a UPS [company] Services requirement if you ship Handguns with or through their company. It's definitely not a U.S. Title requirement.

U.S. Titles/ U.S. Codes would never mandate all citizens, who wanted to ship a pistol, do so only through a specific company [UPS], and through one specific mode [2nd day Air].

Laws are not written that way. If the authors of Titles and Codes attempted to write them that way, all the other providers of transportation services would be up in arms, for being excluded from competition, and would raise holy hell.

 

[Taildrag15X]

Outdoorsman,

This is from a quick guide from my UPS account:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html

The Laws that govern this "requirement" are under Title 18 U.S.C. and are outlined in the post above and on the UPS link.

Jon and Taildrag15X,

United Parcel Service is only referencing Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code to define what a Firearm is, what a Licensed Dealer, Licensed Collector, and Licensed Manufacturer, etc., is.

The requirement mandating the use of 2ND Day Air is a UPS [company] Services requirement if you ship Handguns with or through their company. It's definitely not a U.S. Title requirement.

U.S. Titles/ U.S. Codes would never mandate all citizens, who wanted to ship a pistol, do so only through a specific company [UPS], and through one specific mode [2nd day Air].

Laws are not written that way. If the authors of Titles and Codes attempted to write them that way, all the other providers of transportation services would be up in arms, for being excluded from competition, and would raise holy hell.

I also mentioned the above post which includes these that I'm not going to search, maybe they are about basket weaving:


[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]


All I know for sure is that due to the COBIS Law and Sullivan Act here in New York State we are only allowed to have incoming used Handguns shipped from an FLL to our FFL. And that is only if the Handgun has a fired case, the local shops have no plans to drive to Albany (500 mile round trip) to have the State Police fire it and log the case.

As far as out going sale, I (like Jon mentioned) would have to go through my FFL dealer, keep the special Sullivan Reciept with the handguns Model, Type, Caliber, serial number and surrender date so that I can have it removed from the States Registry of Handgun Permits at the County Clerks office, of course for a fee of $10 each way.

 

[T 700]

That's true, outdoorsman

 

[T 700]

I checked with UPS and in VA a nonFFL can ship a pistol to an FFL.