Pulling Targets - READ

[AlanPF]

Another thought as far as some feeling that the electronic targets are to fast. Since they are electric after all, just install a delay into the screens upon which the shots are reported. Match director has control and sets an agreed upon time, 5-8 seconds for example..now everyone has the exact same pit service..shoot fast or slow, however you want..by having a delay built in, you can create a system that if much more in line with the roots of the sport...another big plus that no one has spoken of is time...can you image how much faster a match can be run without all the pits problems and worries. If you have covered firing lines, you can shoot in a hurricane if you wish.

Well said falconpilot. There are moves afoot in Australia to do exactly that, by requiring that electronic targets (ETs) used for competition be equipped with a delay, and times around 8 seconds are being considered. All manufacturers in the Australia market have been approached and say it can be done via an inexpensive software upgrade.

 

[Medic505]

Mark,
If paid pullers are going to be available to some at Bayou at TSRA matches, why not have a puller for every target and up the price a little? Best I can figure between travel , lodging and the expense of shooting I'm out nearly $750 bucks to go to Houston and shoot. What's another $100 or so for a puller?

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

Mark,
If paid pullers are going to be available to some at Bayou at TSRA matches, why not have a puller for every target and up the price a little? Best I can figure between travel , lodging and the expense of shooting I'm out nearly $750 bucks to go to Houston and shoot. What's another $100 or so for a puller?

Hi Dean,
The issue has always been finding people willing to do it. The club puts the word out well in advance of the matches asking for people interested in pulling and we always have the same few show up and that's it.

My opinion about lack of willing labor, as it applies to most jobs, is the the compensation must not be adequate or there would be more willing. Just how much are shooters willing to pay? Certainly not being critical, just another curious question.

Either way, electronic or paid people, match fees increase if shooters don't pull the targets as there is a cost for that service.

 

[Medic505]

Mark,
I will say this, from what I've seen, the pullers at Bayou are the best I've watched. I just want to know how I go about reserving one for the long range in March? Should this be an option on the match program? What happens if more are requested than what you have the morning of the match? Just a thought.

 

[wolley]

I'm asking the North American rep for Silver Mountain to arrange a Demo at Bayou.
These are the open type that can be used on an existing frame.
I'll let you know if we can get it set up.

 

[Medic505]

Wolley,
Could he bring 20 of them and leave them for a weekend in March? Just kidding... I would like to shoot on one just for grinners.

 

[ShootDots]

Mark,
I will say this, from what I've seen, the pullers at Bayou are the best I've watched. I just want to know how I go about reserving one for the long range in March? Should this be an option on the match program? What happens if more are requested than what you have the morning of the match? Just a thought.

Medic, Don Diffey will be, at the time of the TSRA "Long-Range" match in 2015, the Long-Range Program Director. He can help you out... He is "Whatsthediff" on this forum.. He will take care of you.. We are also planning on a "Spring" "regional type" event also.. Don will have something for you on that too, although it is still in the formative stages at this time..

 

[Medic505]

That sounds good Ben and thanks. What about a National Championship of Texas?

 

[Erik Cortina]

I would like to be squadded with Dean from now on please! ;D

 

[Bindi2]

Another thought as far as some feeling that the electronic targets are to fast. Since they are electric after all, just install a delay into the screens upon which the shots are reported. Match director has control and sets an agreed upon time, 5-8 seconds for example..now everyone has the exact same pit service..shoot fast or slow, however you want..by having a delay built in, you can create a system that if much more in line with the roots of the sport...another big plus that no one has spoken of is time...can you image how much faster a match can be run without all the pits problems and worries. If you have covered firing lines, you can shoot in a hurricane if you wish.

Well said falconpilot. There are moves afoot in Australia to do exactly that, by requiring that electronic targets (ETs) used for competition be equipped with a delay, and times around 8 seconds are being considered. All manufacturers in the Australia market have been approached and say it can be done via an inexpensive software upgrade.

Read that move as in some places in Australia NOT ALL.

Furphy means tell a lie or bend the truth to suit ones own agenda.
The current rules on time are OK and yes events do run faster, team shooting is a real pleasure.
The roots of shooting in Bisley had a course of fire called snap shooting which we also did in Australia singularly and teams with Martinis then the SMLE. Fast shooting is a skill a very finely tuned high skill particularly at long ranges.

 

[243Mendoza]

if paid pullers are being used in a registered or sanctioned match, EVERY competitor should have a paid puller available if the competitor wants a paid puller. If this is not possible, no competitor should have a paid puller (except for shooters with some handicap) otherwise it is an unfair advantage since not all shooters are shooting under similar conditions.

 

[conor m]

as steve has posted ,i I beleive there should be only pullers for persons who are not able or capable of pulling their own targets ,this would be a small quantity of shooters,
but as this post started out its was about quanty and quality of target pulling . it is the duty of the experinced shooter ( the old dogs ) to show the pups , how to do it (LEAD BY EXAMPLE ) .
CONOR M

 

[JamesnTN]

if paid pullers are being used in a registered or sanctioned match, EVERY competitor should have a paid puller available if the competitor wants a paid puller. If this is not possible, no competitor should have a paid puller (except for shooters with some handicap) otherwise it is an unfair advantage since not all shooters are shooting under similar conditions.

Although I don't shoot this format of competition. It seems as if the best and most logical way would have an electronic scoring system with a delay in the time when it reads the shot and posts the hit so one it doesn't allow for the so called machine gunning of rounds and two it does equal out the field as every pit has the same timed pit service. Just my thoughts from the guy looking outside in.

 

[Bindi2]

if paid pullers are being used in a registered or sanctioned match, EVERY competitor should have a paid puller available if the competitor wants a paid puller. If this is not possible, no competitor should have a paid puller (except for shooters with some handicap) otherwise it is an unfair advantage since not all shooters are shooting under similar conditions.

Although I don't shoot this format of competition. It seems as if the best and most logical way would have an electronic scoring system with a delay in the time when it reads the shot and posts the hit so one it doesn't allow for the so called machine gunning of rounds and two it does equal out the field as every pit has the same timed pit service. Just my thoughts from the guy looking outside in.

You need to shoot with ETs before you try to penalize the shooters who use them.

 

[ARshuter]

I shot a match one time that the target puller actually came out of the pits and bitched at me for shooting to fast...

 

[memilanuk]

We need to pair that fellow up with Gosnell... or me

With our local club matches, I usually try to spread the experience across the relays so that we don't end up with relay 3 full of people on their first or second match - the blind leading the blind, so to speak. Its a club match aka glorified practice, and if people (i.e. HMs) don't like it... too bad. For bigger events at regional or state championship level or above, then squadding by shooter classification aka experience typically leads to a lot of inexperienced folks on relay 3.

A case in point... I went to a match this year, and I think they said almost a quarter of the shooters were on their first or maybe second match. Not sure how they were spread around, but there seemed to be a knot of them on relay three at one end of the line. I normally don't gripe about pit service, but when we (relay 1) kept going down to the pits and peeling back the pasters and finding that apparently folks didn't understand the whole bullet-touching-the-line thing, and the pit service was egregiously slow to boot... I tried to lead by example, running the target up and down consistently in 7-10 seconds but it didn't seem to sink in. I was starting to wonder if they were the same ones that at least twice during the 'team' match I had to challenge misses... as in 10, X, 10... Miss... challenge, shooter wins, 10... that sort of thing. Frustrating to say the least.

 

[Steve Blair]

We need to pair that fellow up with Gosnell... or me

With our local club matches, I usually try to spread the experience across the relays so that we don't end up with relay 3 full of people on their first or second match - the blind leading the blind, so to speak. Its a club match aka glorified practice, and if people (i.e. HMs) don't like it... too bad. For bigger events at regional or state championship level or above, then squadding by shooter classification aka experience typically leads to a lot of inexperienced folks on relay 3.

A case in point... I went to a match this year, and I think they said almost a quarter of the shooters were on their first or maybe second match. Not sure how they were spread around, but there seemed to be a knot of them on relay three at one end of the line. I normally don't gripe about pit service, but when we (relay 1) kept going down to the pits and peeling back the pasters and finding that apparently folks didn't understand the whole bullet-touching-the-line thing, and the pit service was egregiously slow to boot... I tried to lead by example, running the target up and down consistently in 7-10 seconds but it didn't seem to sink in. I was starting to wonder if they were the same ones that at least twice during the 'team' match I had to challenge misses... as in 10, X, 10... Miss... challenge, shooter wins, 10... that sort of thing. Frustrating to say the least.

[br]
C'mon, Monte, we should celebrate diversity. And, why in God's name would you want Gosnell to shoot faster? [br]
I agree, the example thing does not work for me, either. We need to be more explicit even though that might ruffle some feathers.

 

[memilanuk]

And, why in God's name would you want Gosnell to shoot faster?

I figure it will increase the odds of him getting smacked in the noggin by his scope (yet again)

He was scoring for me @ Lodi in 2008, when I about ran *two* target pullers into the ground. Did you know, that when you run out of elevation (@ 1200yds with a .308) you can hold off using various holes and 'landmarks' on the number boards? Another fun fact: since your aiming point (on the number board) never goes away, you can loaded and back in place waiting for the target to come up - and correct and send it before the target even reaches the top stop. Its a dangerous game - if someone had stutter-pulled that target I would have be absolutely hosed. As it was, the strategy paid off quite well So when we joke about the 'belt-fed Savage'... now you know why!

 

[Steve Blair]

At the 2011 Arizona Palma, held the first weekend of December, the first two days were reasonably warm and pleasant. Saturday night, a front arrived and it snowed in west Phoenix. I shot first relay Sunday morning when it was 38° with a 10 mph north wind. Being a San Diegan and unprepared for the conditions, I was freezing my a$$ off. John Chilton was shooting to my right at 800 and, just as I fired shot #9, John got up. I was pretty surprised that he shot that quick. As I turned back, the wind accelerated to ~25 mph, switching right and left. I shot four straight nines before it went back to what it was and finished without dropping any more points. David's comment was, "I'm glad I didn't have to shoot in that $hit!" [br]
The moral of the story is like my Grandma told me, "Make hay while the sun shines." If the conditions warrant it, shoot as fast as you can, it can only get worse.

 

[Bindi2]

If the conditions warrant it, shoot as fast as you can, it can only get worse.

Exactly ETs allow you to have more control over your shoot as long as you are a good enough shot to control the out come.