Proof research barrels

[eddief]

The PROOF Carbon barrels since they have started doing EVERYTHING in-house are as good as any and better than most out there currently. Their QC is second to none.

I'd be willing to bet if if the carbon fiber barrels were as cheap to manufacture as a regular blank you would see records set too....why, because there would be way more out there and you would see them at BR matches. Unfortunately this is not their purpose.

With that being said, their all stainless blanks are excellent too. I have been shocked at how straight the last half dozen PR carbon barrels have been that i chambered. I have a 6mm 7.5tw Sendero light contour coming that will be turned into a personal coyote rifle....my guess is it will shoot itty bitty groups and not be very fussy at all.

 

[alinwa]

I'd be willing to bet if if the carbon fiber barrels were as cheap to manufacture as a regular blank you would see records set too....why, because there would be way more out there and you would see them at BR matches. Unfortunately this is not their purpose.

I'm sorry but this sentence pretty much encapsulates the thinking I'm trying to speak out against....the idea that "if more guys tried them" they would rise like cream to the top.

Just...NO!

"They Don't Shoot!" How many ways can I say this?

IF THEY DID what they have traditionally claimed which is "shoot better, cool faster, last longer" THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY RULE THE MARKET!!!

it's called capitalism, and it means THE BEST STUFF rises to the top, like cream, and YOU CAN'T STOP IT!

And if they worked, they would be used in BR......cost IS NOT an object!

 

[lightemup]

^ But they do shoot lol.

On the topic of carbon and fluted.... Your going to save more weight with a carbon fiber vs. a fluted barrel. Fluting isnt cheap. By the time you pay that you might as well purchase a Proof barrel.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I'm sorry but this sentence pretty much encapsulates the thinking I'm trying to speak out against....the idea that "if more guys tried them" they would rise like cream to the top.

Just...NO!

"They Don't Shoot!" How many ways can I say this?

IF THEY DID what they have traditionally claimed which is "shoot better, cool faster, last longer" THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY RULE THE MARKET!!!

it's called capitalism, and it means THE BEST STUFF rises to the top, like cream, and YOU CAN'T STOP IT!

And if they worked, they would be used in BR......cost IS NOT an object!

Well everyone else seems to get CF barrels shooting just fine.

How many CF barrels have you installed on full custom rifles specifically designed for benchrest or F-Class competition?

How many have you installed on your personal rifles to REALLY test them and see what they are capable of?

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Just...NO!

"They Don't Shoot!" How many ways can I say this?

IF THEY DID what they have traditionally claimed which is "shoot better, cool faster, last longer" THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY RULE THE MARKET!!!

How many CF barrels have you installed on full custom rifles specifically designed for benchrest or F-Class competition?

How many have you installed on your personal rifles to REALLY test them and see what they are capable of?

Well I'm guessing this case is closed...

 

[eddief]

I'm sorry but this sentence pretty much encapsulates the thinking I'm trying to speak out against....the idea that "if more guys tried them" they would rise like cream to the top.

Just...NO!

"They Don't Shoot!" How many ways can I say this?

IF THEY DID what they have traditionally claimed which is "shoot better, cool faster, last longer" THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY RULE THE MARKET!!!

it's called capitalism, and it means THE BEST STUFF rises to the top, like cream, and YOU CAN'T STOP IT!

And if they worked, they would be used in BR......cost IS NOT an object!

They most certainly do shoot (i am only advocating PROOF barrels on the carbon fiber side, because that is what I have experience with)

Cost is not an option, so......you are saying double the cost of a blank and no "BR" shooter would blink an eye.....pure BS.

You seem to know A LOT without a doubt whatsoever. You should market your ideas because you would rise to the top and "AUTOMATICALLY RULE THE MARKET"

 

[6MMsteve]

 

[JRS]

Ask forum member ryanjay11 how well they shoot

 

[Nature Boy]

I recently had my .308 FN SPR worked over and converted into a hunting rig, which included installing a PROOF barrel with Hellfire brake.

I’m still in the load development process but I’m starting to see some promising results.

Break in was easy. Very little copper shown and none present past the initial 50 rounds.

I struggled in the beginning as I was getting a lot of inconsistency but after isolating the variables and taking the F Class bipod off the groups tighted up. For some reason the McMillan Game Warden stock didn’t like it.

One attribute I noticed with the PROOF barrel that was a surprise is the heat mirage. It manifests itself sooner and with more intensity than my MTU contour SS barreld .308. I guess if it’s disipating heat quicker it’s got to go somewhere

Best group so far was with my break in rounds that I loaded in progressive mode on my Dillon 650, 40.5g (+/- 0.2g) H4895 and 155g Amax

The weight factor isn’t just what you have to lug around but also how the rifle balances. I really like how this one feels.

I should wrap up load work on Saturday and I’ll post my final impressions after.

Taking it to the field in 2 weeks. That will be the real test

PS: In case anyone is wondering. Total weight with Swaro Z6i is just over 9lbs

 

[alinwa]

I recently had my .308 FN SPR worked over and converted into a hunting rig, which included installing a PROOF barrel with Hellfire brake.

I’m still in the load development process but I’m starting to see some promising results.

Break in was easy. Very little copper shown and none present past the initial 50 rounds.

I struggled in the beginning as I was getting a lot of inconsistency but after isolating the variables and taking the F Class bipod off the groups tighted up. For some reason the McMillan Game Warden stock didn’t like it.

One attribute I noticed with the PROOF barrel that was a surprise is the heat mirage. It manifests itself sooner and with more intensity than my MTU contour SS barreld .308. I guess if it’s disipating heat quicker it’s got to go somewhere

Best group so far was with my break in rounds that I loaded in progressive mode on my Dillon 650, 40.5g (+/- 0.2g) H4895 and 155g Amax

The weight factor isn’t just what you have to lug around but also how the rifle balances. I really like how this one feels.

I should wrap up load work on Saturday and I’ll post my final impressions after.

Taking it to the field in 2 weeks. That will be the real test

PS: In case anyone is wondering. Total weight with Swaro Z6i is just over 9lbs

THANK YOU for actually posting a group!

Good On Ya

 

[Buzzsaw]

idiot post, like the one on Long Range Hunting Forum

Yes they shoot, 20" 1-8, 6.5 Creedmoor, Little Bastard Brake. Not a benchrest gun, a game killing gun.

 

[alinwa]

AT LAST!

We now have 4 groups to look at..... well let me just clear the air and make it real simple so's it don't look like I'm "bashing"

BY DEFINITION...... if those 4 groups are representative of "a gun that shoots" then Y'ALL WIN!!

I will agree..... those are some GREAT cf barrel groups!

That's exactly how carbon wrapped barrels shoot......

You've made my point much better than I could have.


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crawls back under rock fervently wishing he'd never entered this conversation.....

 

[Nature Boy]

...... if those 4 groups are representative of "a gun that shoots" then Y'ALL WIN!!

As long as we “do our part”

 

[nickvaughn316]

That's pretty damn good for Factory loads.
I'm sure they would be half that with some nicely worked hand loads.

 

[rhovee]

I have owned a proof barrel and they do shoot. Shot some groups in the .2’s and a 3” at 600. It was a light weight 30/28 Nosler. They do shoot small groups.

 

[Clancy]

Did the POI walk like that? How long have you had it?

idiot post, like the one on Long Range Hunting Forum

Yes they shoot, 20" 1-8, 6.5 Creedmoor, Little Bastard Brake. Not a benchrest gun, a game killing gun.

 

[Steelnecktie]

The only bad thing about a Proof is the price. I shot 4, 5shot groups with this rifle. Average was .36 MOA for 20 shots at 125yds off bipod. If I was to shoot off a rest, I’m sure I could tighten that a little more as I’m not the best person with my shooting fundamentals.
For who’s going to ask,
6.5x47, 20”, 1:8, Kelbly’s Black Bear Tactical, Manners compact

 

[Nature Boy]

When we start talking groups in a hunting rifle application (regardless of barrel design or brand) I think we need to factor a few things.

1. Loading to magazine length limits your seating depth tuning

2. Hunting stock design (short, narrow fore end, light weight, etc) doesn’t lend itself well to bench rest shooting.

3. Hunting bullets aren’t target bullets

Accounting for all of that, I’m still going to wring as much accuracy out of my hunting rigs as possible because I can and it’s part of the fun

 

[Milo 2.0]

When we start talking groups in a hunting rifle application (regardless of barrel design or brand) I think we need to factor a few things.

1. Loading to magazine length limits your seating depth tuning

2. Hunting stock design (short, narrow fore end, light weight, etc) doesn’t lend itself well to bench rest shooting.

3. Hunting bullets aren’t target bullets

Accounting for all of that, I’m still going to wring as much accuracy out of my hunting rigs as possible because I can and it’s part of the fun

I think anything said or printed has the potential to be taken out of context and spun in 20 directions. And hang on when the word best gets thrown in, you say best, your pants now come down to your ankles.
I belong to one forum where AI rifles are the best, it's unspoken. If you want to retain a shred of your dignity, you will not question it.
The op wanted a 30 nosler barrel, heavy gun title was never mentioned.

 

[JRS]

Nor was a BR rifle with BR accuracy. Sounds like the OP has a hunting rifle.