Powder, primer, and ammo price gouging!

[Mikemci]

Poster A: These people are price gouging.
Poster B: You can't prove they're gouging.
Poster A: You can't prove they're not.

Congratulations, you are both right!

 

[INTJ]

This has nothing to do with whether you respect what I post or not. It's simply about the facts versus human nature. You don't have the faintest idea of what the vendor paid for a given item. Therefore, calling it "price gouging" is ludicrous. A perfect example is Bruno's. They not only purchase reloading components direct from the manufacturer, they are also a reseller of components purchased from other reloading supply vendors. Again, you have absolutely no idea what they paid for a given item, nor do you have any idea what Lot# a given item might be from, or when it was obtained by the vendor. Thus, calling a price you don't like "gouging" simply because you don't like it is ridiculous. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. And if you want to know what a massive price markup truly looks like, check the prices for various items on Gunbroker. Then compare the Gunbroker prices to what the majority of commonly-used online reloading supply vendors are charging for the same items and try to tell me the online vendors are "gouging" their customers. It's all whiney BS from individuals that are upset simply because they don't like the fact that prices for pretty much all components have noticeably increased. Again, if you don't like the price, don't buy and do without.

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[SHall]

I guess it is like the way we look at politicians.
Politician B: some think he is doing a great job and we are heading in a good direction. Some think the exact opposite. Who is right? Probably the one with common sense and has their eyes open.

 

[Topstrap]

Nearly everything is nonexistent around here. Every time I hear of components we use for our matches I snatch it up. We're not hoarders, we shoot matches every weekend so the stuff is getting used.

I've gotten lucky occasionally, I've even bought guns with all the components just to get reloading stuff then sold the gun. Concerning pricing, it's not going to get any cheaper. Been on the search for Retumbo, just got a chance to get a pretty decent amount which is the first I've seen in a long time. Gave $45/lb but no hazmat fee but due to what is happening in Australia we may never see some powders again.

Figure out what it's worth to you based on your existing stock, how much you plan on shooting and amount of money you're willing to put out for keeping well stocked

Topstrap

 

[Caveman Jim]

Those that didn’t learn from the 2008-2016 years are the ones paying premium prices for everything.
I’m great full that I remembered.

 

[SHall]

Call it price gouging, not price gouging, call it what you want. The following is what I am concerned about. An old short range benchrest shooter once told me that he saw a time when a lot of guys gave up the sport, I think he said in the Jimmy Carter years, when components made a sudden significant price jump, plus probably gas prices also added to the cost of going to matches. I hope that is not where we are headed. Where long time shooters, just throw their hands up and say “ I am not paying these prices, I am done”. This is why I am saying the distributors might want to think about the customers first right now and not there profits. If the distributors dont look out for their customers in trying times, they might lose their customers completely. We as consumers will pay outrageous prices to eat and survive. As much as some of us love it, we do not HAVE TO shoot.

 

[Caveman Jim]

If people would stop paying stupid prices they would come down but there needs to be many that say enough and hold out.

 

[rangertim]

My cousin owns a Gun Shop and he is at the bottom of the food chain on getting supplies compared to the big box stores and vendors, a month or so ago he got some CCI primers small and large small magnums and I think is cost was $65.00 a thousand so unless they went up a bunch those who are selling for a hundred bucks + are sticking it to you IMHO !

 

[J.d. Popkes]

I’m not excited about anything that’s being complained about on here in regards to component prices. As predictable as it is, it sucks. I’m just saying that if you owned stock in something, and it suddenly quadrupled in value, would a guy say, “ nope that’s crazy and unfair, I’m going to sell that stock for far less than the current value”. I doubt it. And the retail game is not different. What’s it worth? Whatever you can get out of it!! Apparently the demand is there. Again, not saying it is funny or that I’m happy about it. At least it’s not a communistic setup (yet), where everyone gets 23 primers a month from the state.

 

[dannyjbiggs]

Never thought I would see this happen at the most reputable reloading house in the country...at least IMO, Powder Valley. Particularly, I've been following a few of your comments on this blog, and others, be-moaning the good old days of primer pricing, hoping for and predicting their return, and lambasting all those perceived "price gougers" out there that just are not listing prices the way you want them to! Someone mentioned that PV had CCI 450's in stock. Not a user of that primer, I thought I would check them out anyway? Nope did not have any when I got on their site. While there, decided to check a couple of other primers that I use and have in stock: CCI BR-2 and Fed 210M. PV's listing them for $130/K!!! (And out of stock.)

All I can say relative to this is to do a take off on a popular investment company's TV advertisement we used to see a lot, "When Powder Valley talks, people listen".

 

[HTSmith]

Call it price gouging, not price gouging, call it what you want. The following is what I am concerned about. An old short range benchrest shooter once told me that he saw a time when a lot of guys gave up the sport, I think he said in the Jimmy Carter years, when components made a sudden significant price jump, plus probably gas prices also added to the cost of going to matches. I hope that is not where we are headed. Where long time shooters, just throw their hands up and say “ I am not paying these prices, I am done”. This is why I am saying the distributors might want to think about the customers first right now and not there profits. If the distributors dont look out for their customers in trying times, they might lose their customers completely. We as consumers will pay outrageous prices to eat and survive. As much as some of us love it, we do not HAVE TO shoot.

You are onto something there Sam. "As much as some of us love it, we do not HAVE TO shoot" I'm about there.

 

[jk80]

Call it price gouging, not price gouging, call it what you want. The following is what I am concerned about. An old short range benchrest shooter once told me that he saw a time when a lot of guys gave up the sport, I think he said in the Jimmy Carter years, when components made a sudden significant price jump, plus probably gas prices also added to the cost of going to matches. I hope that is not where we are headed. Where long time shooters, just throw their hands up and say “ I am not paying these prices, I am done”. This is why I am saying the distributors might want to think about the customers first right now and not there profits. If the distributors dont look out for their customers in trying times, they might lose their customers completely. We as consumers will pay outrageous prices to eat and survive. As much as some of us love it, we do not HAVE TO shoot.

It's already happening in Trapshooting. I shoot registered trap and any 50 or 100 bird non registered derbys within a 2 hour drive of where I live. Made 5 state shoots and the grand American and all the shoots were down at least 15%. Derby and league shooting is down by half.The manufacturers are being short sighted. Federal is selling direct and a flat of premium trap loads have DOUBLED In price! 149 bucks for gold medals. Sts Nitro27’s are 159 from midway, more than doubled. Between trying to find ammo and the usery pricing people are throwing there hands up. Looks like I couldn't have picked a worse time to consider shooting f class. Oh well, golf balls haven't gone up yet. I can see more golf in my future. If the manufacturers keep jacking around ranges will soon be a ghost town. With the record profits their posting I do t want to hear them whine when the bottom drops out!

 

[Gary O'Neal]

I agree with most here, but I’ve got to add the “new American psyche” has not helped the situation any. Now it’s “buy as much as you can, not as much as you need”, if you run out, it’s on you for not hoarding like everyone else. Sadly, I’m more disappointed in the conduct of the consumers that I am in the vendors.

 

[rebs]

i ordered some 22 lr ammo from Ammofast and on my credit card it was paid to powder valley. whats with that ?

 

[rijndael]

i ordered some 22 lr ammo from Ammofast and on my credit card it was paid to powder valley. whats with that ?

On their respective sites:

>Bryan and Noel Richardson purchased Powder Valley in June 2000 and moved the business to Winfield, KS

>Bryan and Noel Richardson purchased AmmoFast in 2018 and moved it from Florida to Kansas.

 

[rebs]

On their respective sites:

>Bryan and Noel Richardson purchased Powder Valley in June 2000 and moved the business to Winfield, KS

>Bryan and Noel Richardson purchased AmmoFast in 2018 and moved it from Florida to Kansas.

that explains it, thanks for the information. I appreciate it

 

[al o]

And primers also. Here in Ohio they have a store called Fin Feather and Fur and about a week ago they were selling one pack of primers for $12.99. That is ridiculous. It is no wonder why people are getting out of high power shooting. And leave us not say anything about getting 8208XBR powder. People are selling a pound of 8208 on Gunbroker for $80.00 a pound, and that doesn't even include the haz-mat fee! We should start calling off these gougers!

 

[Liven The Dream]

I have been shooting Matches back to 1985 . I still shoot Matches at 75 and love it. I ran very low on Primers , I payed the Price. I bought a 1000 at a time . Why ? I want to shoot for hopefully 3-4 more years .

I was told just yesterday boy those CCI450's at $123 a 1000 was high. My local Shop just goes 10% over . I got 450's for $62 !!! Some days your the Dog other days your the Fire Plug.

At my age I will try and Buy and Shoot. The Young Shooters with families ??? If you wait for the next change in the W-House ? For some of us it is just to late.

Do what you must to carry on .

 

[ARK]

There is a solution. STOP BUING. For a week, for a month. Let all this individuals who are profiting from our insecurities sweat a little. This is United States of America. Best Republic in the world with unlimited resources and constitutional amendment protecting our rights. Nobody can take it away form us. There is 60 000 members on this forum and if only 10% of them will STOP BUING the prices will go down much quicker.

 

[chop house]

We as consumers will pay outrageous prices to eat and survive. As much as some of us love it, we do not HAVE TO shoot.

let's hope that in the future we do not have to shoot to eat and survive.....