I shoot on girlfriends property. Her dad would not like me to bring a Remington there. Easy as that. Dont over look things.jonbearman said:
Poor Savage Quality Control
- Thread starter K0na_stinky
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I’m kind of attached to the 6mmBR. I’m looking for something to shoot medium to long ranges, with light recoil. I have a 550 yard range at my disposal and even longer now in the winter. Shoot across a lake.RonAKA said:
I really like the fact that savage gives you a option of different twists. I wanted the 6BR with a 8” twist.
The gun shop that I buy from has very good prices. Cabelas had a model 12 T/R for $1139 and he wanted $1100.
Look at what the Savage Team does with their stock rifles. Seems that they set some records 
Wholesale doesnt list the twist for the 6br they have. And there is only one option. Do you know what the twist is?RonAKA said:
I think ill just get it localy tho.
K0na_stinky said:
Wholesale's web site is messed up. If you deal with them or just want a price, give their mail order a call. They can look up the Savage numbers and tell you if they have stock. For sure they had the 12 twist in right bolt, left port (18534). The same model but 8 twist is 18671. And there is the dual port model (18622) but it is only in 12 twist.
The other little issue you should be aware of is that these models first came out in 2008 with smooth barrels. In 2009 they switched to fluted barrels. And in 2010, they may have switched back to smooth barrels again -- not sure about that part. And, they never changed the model numbers between smooth and fluted. So the only way you know which you are getting is to talk to the person that will take it out of the box and look at it to confirm what it is.
Awe man I really wanted a fluted barrel. I hope I can find one with flutes
I have a bias but you don't . . . I see. Savages are cheap, there are a lot out there and a lot of owners, owners that want to defend their rifles. If you think that internet forum praise due to a high number of sales and representation I'd say you have a few things to learn about statistics.
I'm not a Remington guy but I am curious about these purported facts you have; please refrain from using libelous CNBC specials as evidence.
What needs to be upgraded on Tikkas and CZs that can't be done that actually has an affect on shoot-ability or accuracy?
You're smoking crack if you think there are no other rifles off the shelf that are more accurate than a Savage and that wild claim does nothing more than show your unparalleled bias for Savage.
Again, a poor excuse for statistics and if gun forums were all that mattered for accuracy and quality all the gunsmiths out there should just close shop right now and start registering domains.
You didn't previously state your level of apathy concerning my opinion but if you want to start a sentence that way anyway . . . You cared enough to respond this thread, directly to my opinion and to defend your Savages - grammatical errors aside, it appears you actually do care.
So you admit Savages are sub-quality and need parts replaced. Wouldn't replacing parts add cost to that oh so impressive cost-to uber interweb accuracy-ratio thus proving you wrong?
Sales of cheap firearms does not directly correlate to quality, accuracy or any other trait other than it being affordable. The only 'fact' involved is that they're affordable and sales are high because of that. Cheap price = more sales = more fan boys. Those 'facts' simply pale against biases? According to you, when I display my opinions they're biases but when you do it they're facts. Well played! Unfortunately, trying to marginalize your opponent by being a hypocrite does nothing but make you look like a fool. "Kettle, you're black" - Pot
Wayne
Kona,
Given what you're wanting and in a 6BR I'd say your best bet is a Cooper Varminter, it'll probably retail for around $13-1400 ($1595 MSR) but people are suggesting trying to put other lesser rifles together that will ultimately cost you the same. You'd never regret buying a Cooper and you could buy it all complete and ready to go. Fluted barrel is $185 option though.
Wayne
Given what you're wanting and in a 6BR I'd say your best bet is a Cooper Varminter, it'll probably retail for around $13-1400 ($1595 MSR) but people are suggesting trying to put other lesser rifles together that will ultimately cost you the same. You'd never regret buying a Cooper and you could buy it all complete and ready to go. Fluted barrel is $185 option though.
Wayne
What cheap parts need to be replaced on a Savage, other than maybe the trigger, if you don't like the Accutrigger, but many do. If you think that all of these folks that have purchase3d and have become "believers" are brainwashed by marketing, please remove the aluminum foil hat! They are great shooters out of the box at very attractive prices. They are made entirely in the USA, which is a good thing IMO.
I simply do not see your logic whatsoever. Believe what ever floats your boat. Savages are becoming more and more well regarded and it is based upon happy users, not shortsighted biases. A $600.00 Savage will typically shoot better than the average of the shelf rifle under a grand. Plus their customer service is outstanding, if it is needed.
I own a few pre-1980 Remington's, but do not own any foreign rifles. Just have no need to for my purposes and the extra cost. I have two custom varmint rifles built on after market actions and cut rifled barrels that are stellar performers, but all of my Savages will hang pretty close to them until I start shooting past 300 yds and then a couple of them will stay pretty close.
I simply do not see your logic whatsoever. Believe what ever floats your boat. Savages are becoming more and more well regarded and it is based upon happy users, not shortsighted biases. A $600.00 Savage will typically shoot better than the average of the shelf rifle under a grand. Plus their customer service is outstanding, if it is needed.
I own a few pre-1980 Remington's, but do not own any foreign rifles. Just have no need to for my purposes and the extra cost. I have two custom varmint rifles built on after market actions and cut rifled barrels that are stellar performers, but all of my Savages will hang pretty close to them until I start shooting past 300 yds and then a couple of them will stay pretty close.
I mentioned all the garbage in these rifles in my second post on this thread, go back and read it if you want to know.
I never called anybody a 'believer' or claimed anybody was brainwashed, Savage does seem to have an effective marketing team no matter how simplistic it is - it rates up there with everything being 'tactical' these days, with Savage it's just 'accu.'
I'll agree they're decent shooters but they're far from the best as you claim. As the Model A was to cars, Savage is to rifles, that doesn't mean the Model A was the best car ever.
Woopty doo, I'm not a protectionist and certainly don't believe in rewarding poor quality with my cash. I wonder if being made in the good ol' USA by hard workin' Yanks is a real selling point to the forum members that don't reside in the U.S.?
Thanks for the freedom, good sir!
I'd put a Tikka, CZ, Ruger, TC, Winchester or any number of other rifles in the $600 range up against a Savage any day in a field or accuracy test.
I can't think of an American rifle maker that doesn't have great CS. Heck, even some that are made in Europe and elsewhere (Tikka, Sako (Beretta USA) CZ-USA ect) are represented greatly in the States with fine customer service.
Good deal. That's what it's all about in the end!
Wayne
Like I said believe what ever you choose to. I saw your post with the so called "cheap parts". I could care less what you think. If all of the rifles that you state are so great why hasn't the rest of the shooting world no caught on? Nothing against any of them, but reputations are earned and shared as the internet has changed todays buyers. That is the reason that Savage is enjoying its great success these days. The amount of after market goods is steadily increasing as a result too. Not so much for the others that you mentioned Oh well, as I said they are all fine rifles, but if they were as great as you seem to believe, why are they not household names today? Just saying people vote with their wallets..................
Oh well, as I said they are all fine rifles, but if they were as great as you seem to believe, why are they not household names today? Just saying people vote with their wallets..................Keeping with the CZ and Tikka examples - CZ's weren't readily available in the States until about the mid-nineties and not imported greatly until CZ-USA was formed, I believe sometime around the year 2000. I don't remember the price of any CZ from five or ten years ago other than their 75B pistol - five years ago you could get one for $300 new, they're fetching about $600 now, demand went through the roof. 10 years ago nobody ever heard of CZ, they are quite the household name now and known for their accuracy and quality. Not bad for about 10 years of being in this market. Savage has been around quite a bit longer in the States, I should hope more people have heard of them, a 90 year or so advantage is considerable.
As for Tikka, I believe it was brought to the American market in its current form around 2000 when Sako was acquired by Beretta. Again, only in the market 10 years. Tikka's well-known for their accuracy, quality and smooth action.
I doubt Tikkas or CZ will ever be as affordable as Savage though, they'd have to hasten their manufacturing and sacrifice quality, I just don't see that happening.
Cooper's cheapest varment rifle is chambered in 6br but with 14 or a 10" twist. I was looking for an 8" twist.
How about that new Tikka Sporter in 260 rem?
How about that new Tikka Sporter in 260 rem?
15Tango said:
I have no idea.
But it looks like a awesome gun. And 260 rem. sounds like it could be a good long distance gun.
15Tango said:
Yeah that might work too. Way to many calibers to choose from. I'll have to go to the gun shop and ask about it.
I got layed off last week, so the gun isn't going to come until spring time when I start working again. Unless my Pogi cheques are big.
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