Paying money vs. doing work

[garandman]

I guess it all depends how much value you put on doing things you enjoy, you get paid for work that is usually not nearly as much fun .when you’re doing things you enjoy it usually doesn’t pay nearly as much because you enjoy it!

Personally, , I dont enjoy tedious tasks like annealing. I also pay other ppl to change the oil in my car. And clean up leaves in the fall. I mow my own lawn. ( I do check oil level after they are done changing it)

time not spent anneeling is time spent shooting.

Basically I do the bare minimum case prep to get .2 to .4 MOA from a bipod and rear bag.

So I agree… it it all depends upon what you enjoy doing and how much time you're willing to spend doing it.

 

[MislMan]

I see your posts quite frequently on this site. Why are you spending so much precious time reading and learning about reloading. Just go buy your ammo and go shooting. No reloading, no brass prep, no load work-ups and no annealing. After all, this forum is called accurate shooter.

 

[thestoicmarcusaurelius]

Personally, , I dont enjoy tedious tasks like annealing. I also pay other ppl to change the oil in my car. And clean up leaves in the fall. I mow my own lawn. ( I do check oil level after they are done changing it)

time not spent anneeling is time spent shooting.

Basically I do the bare minimum case prep to get .2 to .4 MOA from a bipod and rear bag.

So I agree… it it all depends upon what you enjoy doing and how much time you're willing to spend doing it.

If you’re a consistent .4 MOA shooter, Why don’t you go win f-class nationals next year shooting 200-20x every time?

I see your posts quite frequently on this site. Why are you spending so much precious time reading and learning about reloading. Just go buy your ammo and go shooting. No reloading, no brass prep, no load work-ups and no annealing. After all, this forum is called accurate shooter.

Apparently, he doesn’t charge himself the same rate for posting as he does annealing

 

[garandman]

I see your posts quite frequently on this site. Why are you spending so much precious time reading and learning about reloading. Just go buy your ammo and go shooting. No reloading, no brass prep, no load work-ups and no annealing. After all, this forum is called accurate shooter.

I've answered that 6 different times in this thread alone. I'm not sure how you've missed it.

Have I offended you somehow in giving my opinion on the subject of annealing ?

 

[garandman]

Apparently, he doesn’t charge himself the same rate for posting as he does annealing

I enjoy reading, learning and posting far more than I enjoy annealing .

 

[garandman]

If you’re a consistent .4 MOA shooter, Why don’t you go win f-class nationals next year shooting 200-20x every time?

I like to let average shooters like you win sometimes.

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

 

[garandman]

If anybody has any serious commentary, I'll post back but I'm not gonna answer these argumentative, clutter type posts.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

I'm not made of money, but there is a point at which I'd rather spend the money for new brass, rather than anneal old brass. (Same rule applies to all the labor intensive tasks of life)

I know you can extend life of your brass by annealing. Still...by the time you buy the annealer, etc whatever all is needed, PLUS add in the time spent at a reasonable wage, plus add in the value of other work that couldn't be done while annealing, at some points its actually cheaper to just buy new brass.

I figger I can get at least 4 firings out of quality brass. An annealer is $250, plus propane cylinders. Not sure how much time would be spent, but as a CPA my time would get billed out at $250 / hr. So that's an opportunty cost lost. I could get $250 doing billable work. If annealing 200 cases takes 1 hour, plus all the learning curve, that's money lost. Set up would require another workbench, so that's at least another hundred bux. So some math:

200 Cases - $300 (200 cases with 12 firings each = 2400 rounds fired)
Annealer - 250
Propane - 25
1 hours labor - 250 (not including setup of annealer and learning curve and brass damaged learning)
Workbench - 100

TOTAL $925


You'd hav to anneal at least twice, I'm guessing....

I can get 600 brand new 6 Dasher cases for $775, shoot them 4x each, get 2400 rounds down the barrel at which point I'm starting to think about replacing a barrel anyway. I'm not a weekly competetive match shooter, so, I'm not chewing thru loaded rounds like they do. ... and I like shooting, not reloading, and especially not tasks like annealing. The cost savings *might* come in after 2400 rounds fired but chances are I'll re-barrel to something else at that point anyway. (Short attention span.) I may not even get to 2400 rounds fired in 5 years. So $925 vs. $775 and not having to do tasks I don't like. Yes I know some enjoy annealing. And also sorting steel pins out of tumbled brass with a tweezer. ) Plus all my brass would be from the same lot #, so no worries there.

Where am I wrong? Its just a preference thing, right...??

Are you for real?

You don't want to anneal then don't. But your explanation is askew. The time you spend annealing is never going to cost you one dollar. No one in their right mind will put their job on the side in order to reload. It's called down time for which you do not get paid. This is a hobby not a job. Hobbies are fun, job s are work. Most of us actually like spending time reloading. For me it really is a pleasure to know that I can make a better mouse trap. But in order to make that mouse trap, you have to go the whole nine yards. Some of the really serious shooters here anneal after every firing.

Then you get 600 brand new cases. The first firing is not going to be up to snuff as they really work best after they have been fireformed. You just wasted 600 shots including powder, bullets and primers and got nothing but trigger time. After shooting 600 rounds, you have wasted 25% of your barrel life.

It's nice that you bill $250 an hour but really, who cares. This is the first time I have read a comment about what a person earns on this forum.

 

[garandman]

Are you for real?

You don't want to anneal then don't. But your explanation is askew. The time you spend annealing is never going to cost you one dollar. No one in their right mind will put their job on the side in order to reload. It's called down time for which you do not get paid. This is a hobby not a job. Hobbies are fun, job s are work.

Then you get 600 brand new cases. The first firing is not going to be up to snuff as they really work best after they have been fireformed. You just wasted 600 shots including powder, bullets and primers and got nothing but trigger time. After shooting 600 rounds, you have wasted 25% of your barrel life.

1. Yes. Im for real.

2. Thanx for your pemission that I not anneal.

Now... on to the stuff actually worth responding to...

I've mentioned several times in this thread I'm only looking for 0.2 to 0.4 MOA

Brand new unfired brass has always given me that.

So I don't fire form. I have no need to. And The 6 dasher brass that's from Peterson is all ready to load.

If I learn that it's not the case then I will look into annealing... with your permission of course...

And yes of course my whole goal here is to brag about my hourly billing rate as a cpa...

 

[Adam in WI]

Personally I'd rather not know how much I've relieved myself of doing what I enjoy. It is a hobby, after all.

As a side note: alienation and condescension towards the more experienced (note: not me) membership is counter intuitive towards gleaning honest and useful advice from said members.

 

[1911nut]

Are you for real?

You don't want to anneal then don't. But your explanation is askew. The time you spend annealing is never going to cost you one dollar. No one in their right mind will put their job on the side in order to reload. It's called down time for which you do not get paid. This is a hobby not a job. Hobbies are fun, job s are work. Most of us actually like spending time reloading. For me it really is a pleasure to know that I can make a better mouse trap. But in order to make that mouse trap, you have to go the whole nine yards. Some of the really serious shooters here anneal after every firing.

Then you get 600 brand new cases. The first firing is not going to be up to snuff as they really work best after they have been fireformed. You just wasted 600 shots including powder, bullets and primers and got nothing but trigger time. After shooting 600 rounds, you have wasted 25% of your barrel life.

It's nice that you bill $250 an hour but really, who cares. This is the first time I have read a comment about what a person earns on this forum.

He does this, starts a posts to get information or feedback then argues with the responders but He makes so much money

 

[garandman]

Personally I'd rather not know how much I've relieved myself of doing what I enjoy. It is a hobby, after all.

As a side note: alienation and condescension towards the more experienced (note: not me) membership is counter intuitive towards gleaning honest and useful advice from said members.

You dont think that others were alienating and condescending toward me first ?

This thread was going just fine with cordial agreeable beneficial conversation until some just had to think I'm insulting them personally by merely HAVING an opinion FOR MYSELF and they had to go start something here. I've even used self deprecating humor at my own expense to keep the discussion lighthearted and fun here.

Have anywhere I said other people are stupid for annealing? No I have not. I've given my personal cost analysis and metric. For ME. I would assume Im allowed to do that here.

It's a very simple point.. .. presently , It is worth neither the time or the cost for me personally to get into annealing. If I would rather spend my time shooting or doing something else.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

He does this, starts a posts to get information or feedback then argues with the responders but He makes so much money

1. Yes. Im for real.

2. Thanx for your pemission that I not anneal.

Now... on to the stuff actually worth responding to...

I've mentioned several times in this thread I'm only looking for 0.2 to 0.4 MOA

Brand new unfired brass has always given me that.

So I don't fire form. I have no need to. And The 6 dasher brass that's from Peterson is all ready to load.

If I learn that it's not the case then I will look into annealing... with your permission of course...

And yes of course my whole goal here is to brag about my hourly billing rate as a cpa...

I thought you were not going to comment on posts like mine.

 

[garandman]

I thought you were not going to comment on posts like mine.

I worked hard to find one thing in your post worth responding to. I'll not make that mistake again. Have a delightful nite.

 

[DiffEQ]

@garandman, you're a CPA.
Create a 501(c).3 to teach the art of reloading. Who cares if you don't know jack.
Have your firm, presuming you have your own LLC, pay the charity for the time you spend teaching others.
In the process, teach neighborhood runts how to reload so they can reload your ammo for you.
Donate money to the charity so it can buy equipment and components for reloading.
Hold LR reloading seminars in places like Argentina, Kenya, and other cool sites with the charity picking up the tab.
That should kill a bunch of birds with one shotshell.

 

[Bc'z]

Soooo... you'll bitch about the price of primers and powder, but are worried about 10 minutes to anneal a set of brass?
Somebody please hold my beer whilst I shut the fuk up.

 

[garandman]

@Adam in WI ^^^^^ theres some "aliemating and condescending" fer ya.... lol

Fun times, baby...

 

[garandman]

Soooo... you'll bitch about the price of primers and powder, but are worried about 10 minutes to anneal a set of brass?
Somebody please hold my beer whilst I shut the fuk up.

No. I havent done that. I actually said supply and demand and the free market rightfully sets prices where they should be under the current shortages.

I think you have me confused with somebody else.

Shoot... I just paid $100 per k for CCI 5.56 and $160 for BR4s.

I post in your thread admiring the excellence of your work an you treat me this way? Because I dare to have a personal opinion for myself about annealing ? Really?

 

[1911nut]

Did the guy who locks these threads fall asleep, maybe nite shooting? Now we’re wasting bits or bites, whatever into the metaverse

 

[DirtySteve]

Why are you all even bothering? He does not like to anneal. He thinks it is a waste of his time. You are not going to convince him otherwise. I am not sure why he even posted this s@$&t.!!!