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Paying money vs. doing work

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garandman

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I'm not made of money, but there is a point at which I'd rather spend the money for new brass, rather than anneal old brass. (Same rule applies to all the labor intensive tasks of life)

I know you can extend life of your brass by annealing. Still...by the time you buy the annealer, etc whatever all is needed, PLUS add in the time spent at a reasonable wage, plus add in the value of other work that couldn't be done while annealing, at some points its actually cheaper to just buy new brass.

I figger I can get at least 4 firings out of quality brass. An annealer is $250, plus propane cylinders. Not sure how much time would be spent, but as a CPA my time would get billed out at $250 / hr. So that's an opportunty cost lost. I could get $250 doing billable work. If annealing 200 cases takes 1 hour, plus all the learning curve, that's money lost. Set up would require another workbench, so that's at least another hundred bux. So some math:

200 Cases - $300 (200 cases with 12 firings each = 2400 rounds fired)
Annealer - 250
Propane - 25
1 hours labor - 250 (not including setup of annealer and learning curve and brass damaged learning)
Workbench - 100

TOTAL $925


You'd hav to anneal at least twice, I'm guessing....

I can get 600 brand new 6 Dasher cases for $775, shoot them 4x each, get 2400 rounds down the barrel at which point I'm starting to think about replacing a barrel anyway. I'm not a weekly competetive match shooter, so, I'm not chewing thru loaded rounds like they do. ... and I like shooting, not reloading, and especially not tasks like annealing. The cost savings *might* come in after 2400 rounds fired but chances are I'll re-barrel to something else at that point anyway. (Short attention span.) I may not even get to 2400 rounds fired in 5 years. So $925 vs. $775 and not having to do tasks I don't like. Yes I know some enjoy annealing. And also sorting steel pins out of tumbled brass with a tweezer. :) ) Plus all my brass would be from the same lot #, so no worries there.

Where am I wrong? Its just a preference thing, right...??
 
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As far as I have been able to figure, the only benefit from hand loading is the huge accuracy improvement available. If purchased in bulk when prices are low factory ammo is always cheeper if I consider billable hours.
I find hand loading both fun and relaxing so I don't mind spending the time doing it, especially after dark when I can't be shooting anyway.
I'm going to sit back now with my popcorn and watch the responses.
 
Do you really think your hobby is worth your billable working hours?
If so were all way Behind.:(.


My time is. Given we are all gonna die, time is the most valauble commodity we have. Time used one way can never be regained. And I'd rather spend time shooting, vs. annealing. Right? :) Maybe its just me.... :)


BTW...even at minimum wage, you'll barely break even annealing.
 
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As far as I have been able to figure, the only benefit from hand loading is the huge accuracy improvement available. If purchased in bulk when prices are low factory ammo is always cheeper if I consider billable hours.
I find hand loading both fun and relaxing so I don't mind spending the time doing it, especially after dark when I can't be shooting anyway.
I'm going to sit back now with my popcorn and watch the responses.

Yup. Accuracy is the ONLY reason I reload. Gotta be 100 things I'd rather be doing.
 
I've never understood why the "My time is worth $x/hr." component so frequently gets factored into reloading discussions - be it for mainstream reloading (9mm, .223, .38 Spcl, etc.) or doing other things that take time like annealing.

I think that "argument" only works if you TRULY would be working (i.e. generating income) if you weren't doing that task. I'm retired now, but when I WAS working when I reloaded the choice was never "Should I spend the next x amount of time reloading or working?". I worked - and then I had my free time. So time reloading was always traded off against other free-time activities: mowing the lawn, jobs around the house, watching a movie, etc. Hunters and fishermen don't talk of the price/lb of their bounty. If they did they'd presumably abandon their gear and go to the store. They hunt and fish because it's enjoyable, not because it's the cheapest economic option.

IMHO it comes down to whether annealing sounds fun or does it feel like a chore. For me it's probably the least enjoyable part of the reloading experience. I like HAVING annealed brass. I don't like GETTING annealed brass. But I'm happy to do it and will continue to do so because it gives me better ammo.

Jim

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Not made of money at $250 an hour? Holy Hell that's a lot of money to a former school teacher like me that made about $30 an hour but just in the last year ( 33 years) of working before retirement.

I read stuff like that and want to puke. Been retired at 66% of that for 22 years now with NO cost of living change ever. You are beyond the rim and should just buy all the cases you want. Then send me the ones you shot four times. That would sure be valuable to me.

Oh - for decades I used a simple propane torch, 10 seconds a case to anneal. Then last few years been using a Bench Source i got from a local guy for $400. It is set at 3 seconds and with delivery to the torches is another 2 seconds so figure 5 seconds per case.
 
The purpose of annealing in my opinion is accuracy, not to extend the life of the brass. Annealing makes brass more consistent which makes your neck tension more consistent and that improves accuracy. If the whole reason your reloading is to improve accuracy, it's a no brainer. If annealing, which it does, extends brass life, bonus.

The serenity I have in the hours of reloading and shooting are priceless, so if $250 an hour is worth more to you than the peace and relaxation of the shooting hobby, I'd consider another hobby.
 
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