Over-sized carbide button

[savagedasher]

I never use a button. After a few reloading My cases get a donut with a button your pushing the donut to the od of the case
Larry

 

[butchlambert]

The die is OK, the original button is OK and the aftermarket carbide button is OK, just a tad too big, giving me to little neck grip on the bullet. I don't want no badmouth the button maker since they didn't really do anything wrong. It's just that in this button/die/bullet combination, it is half a thou or so big.
I ordered 40micron diamond lapping past for just a few bucks on eBay and will try and see if that helps. Will post back here with results. Might take a while.

I'm still confused, If your bushing does not size the neck enough, how can you lap it smaller?I'm not badmouthing anybody, just don't understand what lapping will do for your problem.

 

[savagedasher]

Butch I think he said the original one was fine he replaced it with a carbide one and it was larger . I don't know why one is needed . Larry

 

[butchlambert]

Butch I think he said the original one was fine he replaced it with a carbide one and it was larger . I don't know why one is needed . Larry

Larry, I got all of that, just wondering how lapping anything will help him tighten the neck. Do you know how?

 

[savagedasher]

Larry, I got all of that, just wondering how lapping anything will help him tighten the neck. Do you know how?

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He is talking about the expander ball
I assume he is thinking Lapping is the process to decrease the size . lol Larry

 

[butchlambert]

I
He is talking about the expander ball
I assume he is thinking Lapping is the process to decrease the size . lol Larry

Expander ball with bushing dies? I guess I learn what people do every day that is different. Seems that if he was doing that a little emery paper with the stem in the lathe, drill, or drill press.

 

[savagedasher]

Expander ball with bushing dies? I guess I learn what people do every day that is different. Seems that if he was doing that a little emery paper with the stem in the lathe, drill, or drill press.

Butch your old school. lol Larry

 

[butchlambert]

Butch your old school. lol Larry

Larry, not old school, just use the right equipment.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Expander ball with bushing dies?

Geez Butch, no longer can we rely on just a bushing to control our neck tension, we take it down even farther, then expand it back up, sometimes with mandrels. I call it boutique reloading, the Cascade kitchen counselor makes house visits concerning spots on brass from wet tumbling.

 

[savagedasher]

Larry, not old school, just use the right equipment.

Butch I don't think very few here has the right equipment to deal with carbide .
Larry

 

[butchlambert]

Geez Butch, no longer can we rely on just a bushing to control our neck tension, we take it down even farther, then expand it back up, sometimes with mandrels. I call it boutique reloading, the Cascade kitchen counselor makes house visits concerning spots on brass from wet tumbling.

Being in the carbide bushing in a few years past, I have them in many sizes and calibers. They are in .0005 increments. As stated, they do a much nicer job than the steel ones. I have about 100 steel bushings also. Granted, I have Grandsons older than a lot of you and have had a lot of time to accumulate all this stuff.

 

[butchlambert]

Butch I don't think very few here has the right equipment to deal with carbide .
Larry

My point was not about a person working carbide, just buying the right, say bushing, tool to achieve his purpose.

 

[maxwatt]

Expander ball with bushing dies?

No.
REGULAR FL DIE. No bushing.
Not lapping the button. Applying diamond lapping compound to a polishing tool to see if that CAN reduce the diameter of the button.
Now if that works, do I polish the button afterwards to a mirror Finnish? Or would that increase friction between inside of the neck and the button on its way out?
Anyone ever wondered about polishing their expander mandrel/button?

 

[butchlambert]

No.
REGULAR FL DIE. No bushing.
Not lapping the button. Applying diamond lapping compound to a polishing tool to see if that CAN reduce the diameter of the button.
Now if that works, do I polish the button afterwards to a mirror Finnish? Or would that increase friction between inside of the neck and the button on its way out?
Anyone ever wondered about polishing their expander mandrel/button?

OK, I guess I didn't read that it was a separate die. Why not just buy a smaller button?
Should have said sizing bushing.

 

[Milo 2.0]

No.
REGULAR FL DIE. No bushing.

Anyone ever wondered about polishing their expander mandrel/button?

Lol, I did, I had an expensive Powermatic wood lathe, I chucked on up once. 4 jaw chuck, took some emery cloth to it, most dilapidated POS ever, replaced with new.

 

[butchlambert]

Lol, I did, I had an expensive Powermatic wood lathe, I chucked on up once. 4 jaw chuck, took some emery cloth to it, most dilapidated POS ever, replaced with new.

The lathe or button?

 

[savagedasher]

My point was not about a person working carbide, just buying the right, say bushing, tool to achieve his purpose.

Lol, I did, I had an expensive Powermatic wood lathe, I chucked on up once. 4 jaw chuck, took some emery cloth to it, most dilapidated POS ever, replaced with new.

just a
Standard drill will work fo turning it . But lots of luck using emery cloth on carbide .
Larry

 

[butchlambert]

Larry, over the years I've used a lot of emery paper on carbide.With the right grit it will be smooth enough without any polishing.

 

[Milo 2.0]

The lathe or button?

Haha, the button, Lathe for wood was top notch.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Geez Butch, no longer can we rely on just a bushing to control our neck tension, we take it down even farther, then expand it back up, sometimes with mandrels. I call it boutique reloading, the Cascade kitchen counselor makes house visits concerning spots on brass from wet tumbling.

Before someone on here roasts me over this comment, trust me, I know there's a good number of guys on here that can make this method work, and I understand the concept fully.
I just read of it elsewhere and guys who thrive for 1/2moa accuracy embrace it, but the goal is tight ES & SD numbers only, with no regard for accuracy potential.
So no offense meant.