O'Leary announces new refinery

[Edd]

Well were did the rest go, all I know is there is a $hit ton of oil tankers roll through town almost daily

It went to Cushing Oklahoma.

 

[L.Sherm]

It went to Cushing Oklahoma.

Went other places also

 

[xr650rRider]

Well maybe not all but alot does i see it go through town all the time.
I did work in the N.D. oil patch for 3 years

You sure all those trucks are hauling oil? Most are hauling water. Not uncommon to produce 3 bbls of water for every 1 bbl of oil. Locals always thought all those trucks lined up on new wells were hauling buckets of dollars away and counted every truck when in reality, they were hauling off flowback water from the frac.

They built a new refinery about 5 years ago near Fort Stockton, Tx. Was built to produce low sulfur diesel and gasoline. Originally built to handle 10,000 BPD for $450 million. Whereas Exxon-Mobil started up it's 250,000 BPD expansion in Beaumont for $2 billion.

 

[L.Sherm]

You sure all those trucks are hauling oil? Most are hauling water.

I'm talking rail cars

 

[L.Sherm]

when in reality, they were hauling off flowback water from the frac.

I dont know how you guys in Texas Fraced but in N.D the only flowback that was hauled off from fracing was sand and water from a flop tank after a well was screened out from a frac stage, talk about piss off a company man when that happened. Now saltwater from a drill rig was. Majority of water was piped from a pond sometimes up to 8 miles away in to about 10-12 550 bbl frac tanks that in the winter was recirculating fom big propane heaters to about 68 deg so the gel would work properly. Just about all the trucking on a frac site was sand. Little bit of chemis and salt water in the winter to salt up the frac lines and well in the winter to keep from freezing up.
Once in a great while there was a Posidion tank but not very often

 

[xr650rRider]

I dont know how you guys in Texas Fraced but in N.D the only flowback that was hauled off from fracing was sand and water from a flop tank after a well was screened out from a frac stage, talk about piss off a company man when that happened. Now saltwater from a drill rig was. Majority of water was piped from a pond sometimes up to 8 miles away in to about 10-12 550 bbl frac tanks that in the winter was recirculating fom big propane heaters to about 68 deg so the gel would work properly. Just about all the trucking on a frac site was sand. Little bit of chemis and salt water in the winter to salt up the frac lines and well in the winter to keep from freezing up.
Once in a great while there was a Posidion tank but not very often

That was guar based crosslinked gel jobs, usually around 50 bbls/min. Crosslinked gel can carry high proppant loads up to 10-12 lbs/gal. You might not have seen the water but production did when they started flowing the wells. A breaker is pumped toward end of frac stage and it breaks the gel down and it releases the water it was made with. Some formations capture the water and not all of the pumped water is ever recovered.

Most fracs are now slickwater jobs with very little gel and it's not crosslinked. Rate is around 100 bbls/min (4200 gals/min). Each stage might be around 7500 bbls (315,000 gals) of water with 450,000 lbs of proppant.
Water used can be flowback and in some states it's cheaper due to water restrictions. Chemical costs and treatment costs are higher, so if fresh is cheaper and available, then it usually results in better fracture treatment.

 

[L.Sherm]

I know exactly whats pumped down well in N.D I ran a " Growler- gel blender " and a regular sand blender both for Halliburton there.
I was there from 2011-2014 before I went to Saudi we did 99% plug and perf zipper frac for Stat oil with most of the time 32 stages give or take at max 6lb sand at 36 bbl rate. We tried a couple slick water atv75 bbl that didn't go well. Even were experimenting fracing with salt water with a new gel but the gel wasn't working so great either.

 

[ISS]

Refinery...? Look up the Bakken(sp?) Oil Fields in the Dakotas. Nephew worked up there for a couple years. Fed policy is to force us all to buy electric vehicles. No need if we just open the ones we have now. Or stop shipping Alaskan oil to Japan to prop up their economy.