O'Leary announces new refinery

[urbanrifleman]

EVEN if it could get started, takes years to build one.
We could go though a couple of presidents before it might be done.
With the way things and car companies are going towards batteries,
I don't see this getting farther than talk.

We will have to give those South American countries with the lithium deposits some "freedom" here pretty soon.

 

[markT]

This puts it into perspective.

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[FNSafari]

You just can't power fighter jets, B-52s and Abrams tanks with freakin batteries!

 

[L.Sherm]

EVEN if it could get started, takes years to build one.
We could go though a couple of presidents before it might be done.
With the way things and car companies are going towards batteries,
I don't see this getting farther than talk.

I hope your wrong, thats why I said we need a change in the WH for a couple terms.

 

[DiffEQ]

My bet is N.D. will want it with open arms but its the Feds who are gonna be the problem. I wish both MT senators would get on board with this but I'm not holding my breath with Tester, might be some hope with Daines.

Montana has been sliding towards communism for years now.

 

[L.Sherm]

Montana has been sliding towards communism for years now.

While i will agree its getting more liberal the last 3 years with all the influx, what about Oregon?

 

[KMart]

The main problem is with federal regulations. Permits for a refinery will take years to clear.

By the time all the environmental impact statements are in, it will be 10-15 years down the road. Fighting all of the green crowd and the liberal federal judges that will back them will be a nightmare.
The cost of the build will be 30% higher up north compared to the gulf coast, due to the cold weather factor. It will have to be designed to run 24/7/365 no matter how cold it gets. Refineries can and do freeze up even on the gulf coast. It can be done if you spend the money up front. Retrofitting to make it weatherproof cost double.

It would be great to see it happen

 

[Dave M.]

You guys are screwed up. You have a 70 year old pipe line going under lake Michigan that they are afraid will leak but the state won't let the company replace it with new technology. Now that the libs have control of everything in Michigan you'll will be as screwed up as we are in California.

Michigan is my home state and I love it, but if the dems get any more power here and start making ridiculous laws, I’m going to have to find a new place to live. Dead Serious.
Dave

 

[dcali]

He also said FTX was just peachy. The guy is a huckster.

 

[D Coots]

You just can't power fighter jets, B-52s and Abrams tanks with freakin batteries!

Won't be needed after we surrender.

 

[alf]

He also said FTX was just peachy. The guy is a huckster.

That and everyone on that show buys in and takes manufacturing to China.

 

[abishai]

There is nothing more offensive to a politician than an actual solution.
Mayor buttplug will spend more time complaining about Kid Rock than
worrying about any kind of transportation or infrastructure

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Won't be needed when commercial air travel is shuttered, and the 15 minute radius rule starts(2030). WEF wants all residents within 15 minutes of all needed commodities. You will be allowed 1 outside radius trip every 3 days( when your utilities and financial is under government control no side stepping regulations).

 

[jsn]

I don't trust the guy.

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[jackieschmidt]

The problem with building a refinery in the Dakotas is the weather. To the point, the extremly cold weather many months of the year.

Have you ever wondered why areas like south East Texas and Louisiana have so many refineries and chemical plants? We get very few sub freezing days through the year.

Also, the statement that we have not built a new refinery in decades is a little miss leading. What the major producers are doing is expanding the existing ones. In fact, they would rather expand existing facilities rather than build new because it keeps production at one consolidated location with the already developed infrastructure, in particular water transportation for moving huge quantities of product.

 

[Edd]

My suggestion for a location is Cushing Oklahoma.

 

[L.Sherm]

Theres already a diesel refinery out of Tioga, the oilfields of N.D run 24/7 365 so it can be done. Hell you Texas Boys freeze up evertime it drops below 32.

 

[shortgrass]

https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=RE039 There is a small , but abandon refinery just 10 miles north of Weatherford, OK. Built by Barrett Refining in 1982. I don't know why it closed, maybe not large enough to be profitable. Main product was diesel and jet fuel. Was designed for 14000bbls per day, which is a very small number in what the operating refineries of today can handle. That parcel has changed hands numerous times, each time failing to get into production, as when closed by the last company nothing was drained-up. 99% of the piping and a large number of the vessels needing repaired or replace, with valves needing replaced/rebuilt. Cushing would be a good local. As that's where the pipelines meet that go south. There have been times when the tank farms there could take no more oil, being completely full with nowhere to go, as the refineries in south Tex were already working at full capacity. But it ain't gonna' happen! Biden wouldn't OK it. The next Pres will, if he's a Republican. But it would still face years of litigation by the 'greenies', and by then we'd likely have another "green energy", "no fossil fuels" nut in the White House. Until our Fed Government can face reality, and not just "blow and go", refining won't change much in the US. Meanwhile, China, India and the 3rd world will continue to pollute at will.

 

[pikespeakgoat]

You just can't power fighter jets, B-52s and Abrams tanks with freakin batteries!

But it would sure be fun to get to pick the current administration folks to be on the test flight

 

[DiffEQ]

While i will agree its getting more liberal the last 3 years with all the influx, what about Oregon?

Oh <long string of profanities>.
Our governor, state legislators, Congressional Senators and most of our Representatives are nothing more than apparatchiks.
It makes me sick.
Wife and I went to Montana a year ago to look at property. We spent two weeks traveling all over, using Livingston as a base. There, Helena, Missoula - way too much stuff to appeal to foo-foo Kalifornistan escapees. Found a place outside of Anaconda, but it was too rough for the wife's tastes.
The prices were insane.