NRA Smallbore F-Class course of fire HELP!!!
- Thread starter Mulligan
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During the Smallbore F Class meeting at the NRA Smallbore Nationals this year Walt said there will be records for the 2020 season. None will be official until the end of the season. Instead of changing records every other month for a new record, these NEW records will be the best scores of the years end as initial records. Also, this won't happen until the NEW smallbore rule book is published.
That's for conventional prone and 3 P ...not F-SBR.
Both references are clearly labeled METRIC PRONE and apply to f-class unless overridden somewhere in 23
All national records are overridden to not exist for f-sbr - for now. But it is a 60 round match reference.
The courses of fire are not overridden or specified differently so should apply to f-sbr as a subset of metric prone
In this context conventional means not-metric. 'Conventional metric' is a contradiction.
You're misusing 'conventional' as 'sling'.
Sling has conventional and metric targets and courses of fire. F-sbr has only metric. If the sling shoot is conventional we still shoot metric. If the sling shoot is metric we all use the same targets.
The first statement in 23 says that all other smallbore rules apply unless specified in 23.
Since 23 clearly says f-sbr uses metric targets and courses of fire I would think that obviously brings in 7.4 and 7.4.1 for the CoF definitions. But I guess there is no explicit statement of that.
besides - If you think 7.4 and 7.4.1 do not apply to f-sbr then what IS the definition of f-sbr courses of fire?
There is no 23.7 to define them.
23.19 Classification only mentions targets and distances No reference at all to number of rounds, 40 or anything else. We can shoot any number of rounds per match.
Mulligan
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You're all still missing the fact the Smallbore F-SBR doesn't follow center fire F Class COF !!
If I may weigh in I would like to clarify a couple of things regarding the process of receiving a classification card. This is purely from the NRA perspective and not ASSA.
As I understand it, scores submitted to the NRA for classification purposes must be fired in an NRA registered or sanctioned tournament or league. So regardless of which course of fire one might assume is valid, none of the scores count for anything unless they are fired under match conditions. Table 3 of the rule book requires a minimum of 200 shots to be fired under these conditions.
The 60 shot course of fire for metric prone is derived from the ISSF course of fire for mens prone at 50 meters, also called the English match. The 60 shots of the English match are fired continuously in a fixed time frame from the prone position with iron sights. Having said that, not all ranges have a system that will permit this. And NRA recognizes 60 shot records fired over 3 cards on the A51(reduced 50 meter card) or the A50 with iron and any sights. It appears the NRA records show no one shooting a perfect 600 score with irons or scope, but it has been done many times over on the international stage.
To my knowledge, there is no 60 shot match course of fire for F-SBR.
To answer Mulligan's original question Rule 19.4 establishes the course of fire for Outdoor F-Class Classification. With the cut and pasted error regarding the A-26/A27 targets, rule 19.4 is referencing 40 shots for each match for the NRA defined 1200 point aggregate.
So if a club decides to design their own course of fire, in the example 20 shots at 100 yards on the A33 x 3 targets, I can't see where the NRA would accept those scores for classifications purposes. The NRA does allow each individual to keep a record book to provide evidence of their skill so they could be properly classified at a registered or sanctioned tournament without an official classification card. Otherwise, with no proof of classification one is required to shoot in the Master unclassified group.
As I understand it, scores submitted to the NRA for classification purposes must be fired in an NRA registered or sanctioned tournament or league. So regardless of which course of fire one might assume is valid, none of the scores count for anything unless they are fired under match conditions. Table 3 of the rule book requires a minimum of 200 shots to be fired under these conditions.
The 60 shot course of fire for metric prone is derived from the ISSF course of fire for mens prone at 50 meters, also called the English match. The 60 shots of the English match are fired continuously in a fixed time frame from the prone position with iron sights. Having said that, not all ranges have a system that will permit this. And NRA recognizes 60 shot records fired over 3 cards on the A51(reduced 50 meter card) or the A50 with iron and any sights. It appears the NRA records show no one shooting a perfect 600 score with irons or scope, but it has been done many times over on the international stage.
To my knowledge, there is no 60 shot match course of fire for F-SBR.
To answer Mulligan's original question Rule 19.4 establishes the course of fire for Outdoor F-Class Classification. With the cut and pasted error regarding the A-26/A27 targets, rule 19.4 is referencing 40 shots for each match for the NRA defined 1200 point aggregate.
So if a club decides to design their own course of fire, in the example 20 shots at 100 yards on the A33 x 3 targets, I can't see where the NRA would accept those scores for classifications purposes. The NRA does allow each individual to keep a record book to provide evidence of their skill so they could be properly classified at a registered or sanctioned tournament without an official classification card. Otherwise, with no proof of classification one is required to shoot in the Master unclassified group.
It's actually Approved and Registered tournaments and matches for which one can get classified. I'd say we should know shortly whether a 60 shot match at 50 yards or meters or 100 yards can get approved. I just submitted a slew of them for approval for next season.
Well, we have been shooting 100 yd targets, 3 strings of 20 for some time now, and, I have an NRA Classification card for F Class SBR from this activity, which is the only course of fire that has been submitted for my classification.
I am slightly confused by some th documents so let me add my two cents and maybe i will make sense. First, classification courses of fire are described in Section 19 of the rulebook. Firing any course of fie not in that section will not be counted for classification.
Section 7 of the rule book lists courses of fire. A tournament consists of those courses of fire. COF can be combined and added to as long as they are listed in Section 7.
F-sbr may fire 60 shot english match airside sling. It would count for classification.
If HQ approves a tournament with 3-100yd targets then they would count for classification, Read section 19 under F-sbr to see what course of fire are authorized. They are Dewar A51/50 and A33, 50 meter A51/A50 and 100 yd A-33. Any combination of these three an==can make up a match and tournament.
Jetjock
Section 7 of the rule book lists courses of fire. A tournament consists of those courses of fire. COF can be combined and added to as long as they are listed in Section 7.
F-sbr may fire 60 shot english match airside sling. It would count for classification.
If HQ approves a tournament with 3-100yd targets then they would count for classification, Read section 19 under F-sbr to see what course of fire are authorized. They are Dewar A51/50 and A33, 50 meter A51/A50 and 100 yd A-33. Any combination of these three an==can make up a match and tournament.
Jetjock
This is good to know. I think Walt clears it up on his post. I stand corrected and apologize for my assumption.
Let me try to clear up some things. The courses of fire listed in section 19 are all 20 shot stages/40 shot matches. Those matches can be combined to make up a tournament. What is not recognized for classification would be a 10 or 15 shot stage. 3-100 yard matches on the A33 as long as each target is 20 shots would be recognized for classification.
Jetjock
Jetjock
19 does not explicitly say that. There is no reference to number of shots in 23.19 or 19
If that is what is meant we would have to back reference to 7 to confirm the number of shots in a course of fire.
Since there is no 23.7 we would have to go back to the metric prone courses of fire in 7 for f-sbr also.
F-SBR is NOT metric prone...that's for conventional sling shooters shooting that COF. Yes, we (F-SBR) shoot on the metric targets. That doesn't mean we fall under Metric Prone !!
I can't understand why this is soo difficult !!
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