NRA Smallbore F-Class course of fire HELP!!!

[kzin]

Kurt,
at the ranges you attend, the course of fire is three strings of 20 rounds for record + sighter at 100 yards, correct?
If this works for an NRA approved match and the participants can earn classification then this is perfect!!!

I volunteered to look into this and set up some matches at out local range. We have a sizable group of older shooters who want to keep shooting but no longer want to deal with recoil. Several of the folks have grand kids that they want to get involved. Not lugging gear from one yardage to another would help them a bunch. In the summer heat here in western Colorado a 160 round match might run off some of the older fellas.
I've got a lot to learn.
CW

There is a tradeoff there.
Smallbore requires 200 shots for classification.
If you have a shorter cof then it will require more days to get there.

Also, even if you craft your cof for f-class in particular it will still be a legal cof for metric prone.
Might as well leave it open for sling shooters too.

 

[kzin]

I volunteered to look into this and set up some matches at out local range. We have a sizable group of older shooters who want to keep shooting but no longer want to deal with recoil. Several of the folks have grand kids that they want to get involved. Not lugging gear from one yardage to another would help them a bunch. In the summer heat here in western Colorado a 160 round match might run off some of the older fellas.
I've got a lot to learn.
CW

Smallbore is generally one firing line and walking to the targets at 50 and 100. Something like 40 shots at 50yds and 40 at 100yds might be less physical effort than all 100.

 

[Mulligan]

There is a tradeoff there.
Smallbore requires 200 shots for classification.
If you have a shorter cof then it will require more days to get there.

Also, even if you craft your cof for f-class in particular it will still be a legal cof for metric prone.
Might as well leave it open for sling shooters too.

we are an inclusive bunch, sling, TR, open, we're good.
CW

 

[Ringostar]

What is '4 gun'?

4 gun is a sling match. The sling shooters will shoot a 20 shot string with service rifle metallic sight, then add a scope for their next string. Then shoot a string with Palma rifle and metallic sight, and final string adding a scope. All 4 strings are shot with a different configuration. If your an F class shooter you just shoot with your regular set up for all 4 strings.

 

[Mulligan]

Smallbore is generally one firing line and walking to the targets at 50 and 100. Something like 40 shots at 50yds and 40 at 100yds might be less physical effort than all 100.

lots of f-class shooters were not shooting MR at locations that shoot 300-500-600 because of all the hauling of equipment. The NRA responded by allowing the MR Nats to be shot at completely 600 yards. For some, it makes a big difference.
CW

 

[kzin]

4 gun is a sling match. The sling shooters will shoot a 20 shot string with service rifle metallic sight, then add a scope for their next string. Then shoot a string with Palma rifle and metallic sight, and final string adding a scope. All 4 strings are shot with a different configuration. If your an F class shooter you just shoot with your regular set up for all 4 strings.

Thanks, never heard of the term or the match before.
It's a bit like the common smallbore iron and any aggregate matches.

f-class should do 2 strings tr and 2 strings open!!
or 223 ftr, 308 ftr under 7mm open and over 7mm

 

[kzin]

lots of f-class shooters were not shooting MR at locations that shoot 300-500-600 because of all the hauling of equipment. The NRA responded by allowing the MR Nats to be shot at completely 600 yards. For some, it makes a big difference.
CW

Sure, but my point was that smallbore works very differently than highpower in that respect.
Smallbore you do'nt move your gear from 50 to 100 you move the target.

Unless you're planning on shooting smallbore 100 yards back from your highpower pits, I guess.

 

[Mulligan]

Sure, but my point was that smallbore works very differently than highpower in that respect.
Smallbore you do'nt move your gear from 50 to 100 you move the target.

Unless you're planning on shooting smallbore 100 yards back from your highpower pits, I guess.

My bad,
We have a 100 yard range set up just for smallbore. The firing line is complete and the club will be covering it soon.
The Club does not want to move targets or have targets that far from a berm. We could install a gravel firing line at 50 yards, but the competitors will be in the hot sun (it can get a bit warm here). Over 100*F is not that uncommon here on the western slope. That is not so good for our older shooters.
CW

Edit
I suppose we could shoot the shorter ranges in the AM and then shoot the longer stuff when it gets hot.
CW

 

[Erud]

My bad,
We have a 100 yard range set up just for smallbore. The firing line is complete and the club will be covering it soon.
The Club does not want to move targets or have targets that far from a berm. We could install a gravel firing line at 50 yards, but the competitors will be in the hot sun (it can get a bit warm here). Over 100*F is not that uncommon here on the western slope. That is not so good for our older shooters.
CW

Edit
I suppose we could shoot the shorter ranges in the AM and then shoot the longer stuff when it gets hot.
CW

Just add tubes to drop your target frames into at 50 yards and 50 meters from the firing line, then you can shoot all 3 distances from the covered firing line. That’s typically how smallbore matches work everywhere, there is no moving of gear.

 

[Kurt Blasser]

Kurt,
at the ranges you attend, the course of fire is three strings of 20 rounds for record + sighter at 100 yards, correct?
If this works for an NRA approved match and the participants can earn classification then this is perfect!!!

I volunteered to look into this and set up some matches at out local range. We have a sizable group of older shooters who want to keep shooting but no longer want to deal with recoil. Several of the folks have grand kids that they want to get involved. Not lugging gear from one yardage to another would help them a bunch. In the summer heat here in western Colorado a 160 round match might run off some of the older fellas.
I've got a lot to learn.
CW

That's correct. The one submits scores on a per match basis each month, the other is a league and submits at the end of the year.

 

[Mulligan]

I like the way the attached ASSA rule book is laid out.
It appears they tried to make the rifle weight and width limits to match NRA F-class.
CW

 

[Jetjock1]

If the NRA evergeuts the revised rules up for the rulebook. A new course of fire is the mini palma with new targets all fired at 100 yards-smallbore. There will be targets for sling and another set for F-sbr. Forother courses of fire if you are shooting alongside sling shooters you fire their course of fire. Match directors are free to shoot whatever course of fire they wish. Makes it easy. F-sbr is fired on metric targets for all sanctioned matches.
Jetjock

 

[rmist]

Jetjock...where did you here about the NRA changing to all being fired at 100 yards for F-SBR and new targets ? I had to look up the mini Palma targets, 1" for X ring the 800- 2" for 10 ring, .9" for the 900- 1.8"for 10 ring ,and .8" for the reduced 1000 yard targets- 1.6" for 10 ring. The X rings are only smaller on the 900/ 1000 reduced targets. The 10 ring is huge compared to the current A-33 target currently used at 100 yards in sanctioned events. For an X it cannot cut thru the 1.045" 10 ring. All shots inside are X's.

 

[kzin]

Jetjock...where did you here about the NRA changing to all being fired at 100 yards for F-SBR and new targets ? I had to look up the mini Palma targets, 1" for X ring the 800- 2" for 10 ring, .9" for the 900- 1.8"for 10 ring ,and .8" for the reduced 1000 yard targets- 1.6" for 10 ring. The X rings are only smaller on the 900/ 1000 reduced targets. The 10 ring is huge compared to the current A-33 target currently used at 100 yards in sanctioned events. For an X it
cannot cut thru the 1.045" 10 ring. All shots inside are X's.

My understanding is everything stays the same and mini-palma is ADDED as a separate option

I would think the classification will have to be separate. Mini-palma sling targets are considerably easier than metric prone and mini-palma f-class versions considerably harder than metric prone

I believe the mini-palma f-class targets are created exactly like the highpower f-class targets were. The sling x becomes the f-class 10, etc.

 

[rmist]

Where is this update in the rules? The last one from last year still has SBR F Class as provisional. Just curious where everyone is seeing mini Palma for smallbore being NRA sanctioned smallbore F Class events.

 

[kzin]

Where is this update in the rules? The last one from last year still has SBR F Class as provisional. Just curious where everyone is seeing mini Palma for smallbore being NRA sanctioned smallbore F Class events.

It's not there yet, now it's just jetjock 'leaking' it.
He 'leaked' the f-class mini-palma targets quite a while ago.

I regularly shoot unsanctioned mini-palma matches on sling targets and calculate my 'f-class' scores also. Sling score - nbr of shots + nbr of x's

edit - I'm fairly sure jetjock is involved with NRA rules in some capacity

 

[XTR]

Jetjock...where did you here about the NRA changing to all being fired at 100 yards for F-SBR and new targets ? I had to look up the mini Palma targets, 1" for X ring the 800- 2" for 10 ring, .9" for the 900- 1.8"for 10 ring ,and .8" for the reduced 1000 yard targets- 1.6" for 10 ring. The X rings are only smaller on the 900/ 1000 reduced targets. The 10 ring is huge compared to the current A-33 target currently used at 100 yards in sanctioned events. For an X it cannot cut thru the 1.045" 10 ring. All shots inside are X's.

If memory serves me correctly @Jetjock1 is Walt Walter, he's on the NRA Board and on the HP committee. He might have some knowledge that is not yet public.

 

[corning]

If memory serves me correctly @Jetjock1 is Walt Walter, he's on the NRA Board and on the HP committee. He might have some knowledge that is not yet public.

That is correct.

 

[Jetjock1]

Let me clarify my comments so we get things right. All smallbore courses of fire apply to F-sbr. 50 yds, 50meters and 100 yards. The mini-palma is a new course of fire for NRA with new targets. I expect this rules and targets will be out soon. They are not yet published. Mini-palma is all fired at 100 yards. Mini-Palma will not be added to the national championship yet. If the competitors want it then may be added. Scores will be counted for classification in the metric discipline. Don't suppose anything if you aren't sure ask me.
Jetjock

 

[kzin]

Let me clarify my comments so we get things right. All smallbore courses of fire apply to F-sbr. 50 yds, 50meters and 100 yards. The mini-palma is a new course of fire for NRA with new targets. I expect this rules and targets will be out soon. They are not yet published. Mini-palma is all fired at 100 yards. Mini-Palma will not be added to the national championship yet. If the competitors want it then may be added. Scores will be counted for classification in the metric discipline. Don't suppose anything if you aren't sure ask me.
Jetjock

Is there something in the works to get f-class MP targets on the market soon?

I have a pdf of the f-class targets that you posted here from over a year ago.
Is that still correct dimensions?