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NRA Smallbore F-Class course of fire HELP!!!
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Sorry I'm late to the party on this thread. I have one (hopefully simple) question. On the 50 yard(meter) course of fire, the rules specify 20 shots on A-51(A-50) target and 20 shots on A-27(A-26) target. With both of these stages being shot at the same distance, the rings on the A-27 target are considerably larger than the rings on the A-51 target. Is there something I am missing? It seems odd to me that we would fire 20 rounds each at the same distance at two targets that are that dramatically different, and have all of those shots count the same toward classification.
foxguy
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Hi Kurt,
Are they still shooting SB F-Class in Florida during the Winter months. We may be headed down there this Winter. It would be fun to try out the SB F-Class. Oh, where about are the ranges?
Thanks,
Yes, still shooting F class Sbr, 3rd Saturday of the month at Gateway in Jacksonville Florida and 1st Sunday (if it follows a first Saturday eg Jan 5) of the month at Port Malabar Rifle and Pistol Club in Melbourne FL. Malabar reports to NRA, Gateway does not.
The a27 is a conventional(not metric) target for sling shooters,.
should never be shot in f-class.
I don't see a mixed cof in the rulebook.
edit - section 19.4 Classifiction does mention the a27
I think that's simply an error. As you say that would be radically unfair for classification.
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There's only three targets shot for Smallbore F Class. The A 50, A 51, and the A 33..that's it !! The A 26/ A 27 are not for F Class. It was most likely a typo (cut and paste) as the conventional prone shooters shoot all of these.
From rule book...
4. TARGETS Note: When competitors mark targets for identification, they must be marked in bold letters “F-Class.” (Stickers are recommended if practicable) For conventional and metric prone matches when shooting alongside target rifles, targets A-50/A-51, and A-33 are recommended. See Rule 19.4 below.
19. CLASSIFICATION 19.4 Scores Used for Individual Classifications- Scores to be used for classification and reclassification will be those fired in matches in NRA competition as defined in Rule 1.6 (except Postal Matches) over the following courses of fire and under the indicated conditions: Outdoor F-Class Classification: Dewar Course (50 yards or 50 meters and 100 yards) (A-50/A-51 and A-33 targets) 50 Yards or 50 meters (A-50/A-51 and A-26/A-27 targets) 100 Yards (A-33 target)
From rule book...
4. TARGETS Note: When competitors mark targets for identification, they must be marked in bold letters “F-Class.” (Stickers are recommended if practicable) For conventional and metric prone matches when shooting alongside target rifles, targets A-50/A-51, and A-33 are recommended. See Rule 19.4 below.
19. CLASSIFICATION 19.4 Scores Used for Individual Classifications- Scores to be used for classification and reclassification will be those fired in matches in NRA competition as defined in Rule 1.6 (except Postal Matches) over the following courses of fire and under the indicated conditions: Outdoor F-Class Classification: Dewar Course (50 yards or 50 meters and 100 yards) (A-50/A-51 and A-33 targets) 50 Yards or 50 meters (A-50/A-51 and A-26/A-27 targets) 100 Yards (A-33 target)
So...reading thru this all again. How is the NRA giving out classifications to folks not shooting the course of fire. Meaning only at 100 yards? When the current rules state you have to shoot these below. At 50 yards / 50 meters and 100 yards.
Personally I would like the Master to be 98.00 and above like the conventional prone. All of the matches I've shot have been in this order... 50 yds, (once for 1200, twice if 1600)/ optional 50 meter if range has frame holders. Dewar match (50 yds and 100 yds), then 2 at 100 yds. Saves a lot of moving targets.
19. CLASSIFICATION 19.4 Scores Used for Individual Classifications- Scores to be used for classification and reclassification will be those fired in matches in NRA competition as defined in Rule 1.6 (except Postal Matches) over the following courses of fire and under the indicated conditions:
Outdoor F-Class Classification: Dewar Course (50 yards or 50 meters and 100 yards) (A-50/A-51 and A-33 targets) 50 Yards or 50 meters (A-50/A-51 and A-26/A-27 targets) 100 Yards (A-33 target)
19.15 Individual F-Class Averages- Competitors will be classified as follows and NRA classification cards issued accordingly.
TABLE 3- INDIVIDUAL (a)
Outdoor F-Class classification- 200 shots minimum required for classification.
Master 97.50 and above
Expert 95.00 to 97.49
Sharpshooter 92.50 to 94.99
Marksman Below 92.50
Personally I would like the Master to be 98.00 and above like the conventional prone. All of the matches I've shot have been in this order... 50 yds, (once for 1200, twice if 1600)/ optional 50 meter if range has frame holders. Dewar match (50 yds and 100 yds), then 2 at 100 yds. Saves a lot of moving targets.
19. CLASSIFICATION 19.4 Scores Used for Individual Classifications- Scores to be used for classification and reclassification will be those fired in matches in NRA competition as defined in Rule 1.6 (except Postal Matches) over the following courses of fire and under the indicated conditions:
Outdoor F-Class Classification: Dewar Course (50 yards or 50 meters and 100 yards) (A-50/A-51 and A-33 targets) 50 Yards or 50 meters (A-50/A-51 and A-26/A-27 targets) 100 Yards (A-33 target)
19.15 Individual F-Class Averages- Competitors will be classified as follows and NRA classification cards issued accordingly.
TABLE 3- INDIVIDUAL (a)
Outdoor F-Class classification- 200 shots minimum required for classification.
Master 97.50 and above
Expert 95.00 to 97.49
Sharpshooter 92.50 to 94.99
Marksman Below 92.50
i think the courses of fire are
a. 100 yds a33
b. 50y/m a50/51
c. dewar
and ANY COMBINATION of those is legit for classification
ie one could classify entirely at 50yards on a 50 yard range or entirely at 100 or whatever
Like cf midrange with 300,500 and 600
I think the standard 1200 and 1600 days are traditional and not actually required by rule
a. 100 yds a33
b. 50y/m a50/51
c. dewar
and ANY COMBINATION of those is legit for classification
ie one could classify entirely at 50yards on a 50 yard range or entirely at 100 or whatever
Like cf midrange with 300,500 and 600
I think the standard 1200 and 1600 days are traditional and not actually required by rule
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Probably low but not as low as the conventional sling score makes it seem.
(sling) metric prone master is 94.5
Thanks! I wasn't looking to stir the pot, just didn't make sense to me. Getting ready to submit my 2020 match programs, and I want to ensure that my program is in complete compliance with the letter and spirit of the rules.
That's what I was thinking...which is why I was puzzled that the rules seemed to be stating that the 50y match COF is 20 at 50y on A-51 and 20 at 50y on A27.
I know of another program in my area (not mine or one I shoot in) that advertises 60 shot approved matches shooting 50y on A-51, 50y on A-27, and 100y on A-33. Certainly seems to me like it would skew the classifications.
In an order that makes a lot less target changes wouldn't be this. Remember you're moving the target frame to the different distances. They are not heavy at all. Seems everyone is making this way harder than it needs to be !
I don't think your correct about CF with the 300, 500, and 600. It's either 600 or the combination of all three 3,5, and 6. I could be wrong.
Every REGESTURED either ASSA or NRA match I've shot over the last 2 years has been A-C below...in this order...
A. 50 yds
a. 50 meters (if a 1600, or twice at 50 yds)
B. Dewar
C. 100 yards
Order was no part of what I was trying to say.
cof in this context means ONE of a or b or c
combining those in ANY order or combination is fine for classification
The standard 1200 or 1600 is not 1 cof in this context it is a combination of 3 or 4 cofs
Your club could shoot 40 shots at 50 yards every tuesday night and 60 shots at 100 on the first friday evening of each month.
Since those are both approved cofs you could shoot those randomly and when you got to 200 rounds or more total you could classify.
The very traditional weekend smallbore matches are standard but NOT required.
The approved cof's for classification
are actually 40 OR 60 rounds at 50y OR 50m OR 100y (six possibilities)
or dewar
In my example you would choose 40 for a shorter time span and 60 when you had a bit more time to use but not enough to go 40-40 or 40-40-40. Could be any other reason or whim as far as classification cares.
Walt, will the NRA start recognizing national records in F-SBR next year? If so, I hope it will be well-publicized as it might motivate more people to participate.
Dave Rabin
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