NRA Smallbore F-Class course of fire HELP!!!

[Mulligan]

I have read over the NRA Smallbore rule book a couple of times.
I am struggling to understand what the course of fire is for an NRA sanctioned smallbore F-Class tournament.

19.4 Scores Used for Individual Classifications- Scores to be used
for classification and reclassification will be those fired in matches in
NRA competition as defined in Rule 1.6 (except Postal Matches) over
the following courses of fire and under the indicated conditions:
Outdoor F-Class Classification:
Dewar Course (50 yards or 50 meters and 100 yards) (A-50/A-51and A-33 targets)
50 Yards or 50 meters (A-50/A-51 and A-26/A-27 targets)
100 Yards (A-33 target)

How many shots at each distance?
Do you shoot all three distances?
Why 50 yards and 50 meters?

What is the normal course of fire for a one day "match"?

Thanks
CW

 

[pfiori]

Like High Power F Class, Smallbore F class is intended to be shot at a regular prone match.
A Conventional prone match consists of 160 record shots per day.
The answers to your course of fire questions are on pages 16 and 17 of the rule book in your attachment. Do note that even at a Conventional match, F Class is shot on the Metric targets at all distances.
Hope you find this helpful.
Pete

 

[Mulligan]

Well, I was confused by the 7 different courses of fire listed on those pages.....
Is this the official F-Class course of fire?

7.4 Metric Prone Course of Fire
Distance Target No. of Shots Per Match Per Bull
50 Meters/Yards A-50/A-51 40 or 60 5
100 Yards A-33 40 or 60 10
Dewar Course A-50/A-51, 20 5
A-33 20 10

if so, is it A-50 or A-51 (yards or meter)?

is it 40 shots or 60 shots?

CW

 

[pfiori]

Each individual match will be 40 record shots.
Many ranges do not have a 50 meter line, only 50 yards. This is where the A51 target is used. It is either/or, not a combination depending on the range facility.

 

[Acyr]

A typical Smallbore F Class match will go like this;
Dewar stage, which is 20 shots at 50 yards then 20 shots at 100 yards. A51 and A33 targets
100 yard stage which is 20 shots at 100 X 2. A33 target
50 meter stage, 20 shots at 50 meters X 2. A50 target
50 yard stage, 20 shots at 50 yards X 2. A51 target
Total of 160 record shots. (1600)

 

[Mulligan]

A typical Smallbore F Class match will go like this;
Dewar stage, which is 20 shots at 50 yards then 20 shots at 100 yards. A51 and A33 targets
100 yard stage which is 20 shots at 100 X 2. A33 target
50 meter stage, 20 shots at 50 meters X 2. A50 target
50 yard stage, 20 shots at 50 yards X 2. A51 target
Total of 160 record shots. (1600)

Thank you, that is very helpful.

CW

 

[Albany Mountain]

Check out this site for matches, contact some of the match directors for programs on what is being shot.

https://www.ssusa.org/coming-events/

 

[Acyr]

One of the latest NRA Regional matches shot here in Phoenix.
Course of fire and agg for both days.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...RzaGFycHNob290ZXJzfGd4OjZiYWE3ODMxYzEzODRjOTk

 

[Mulligan]

I have another question,
This course of fire is so dramatically different than f-class, and there appears to be some history with shooting this course of fire in smallbore for some time.
Was this course of fire just “relabeled” as f-class and it is really something completely different?

F-class is normally 60 record rounds plus sighters each day.
CW

 

[kzin]

I have another question,
This course of fire is so dramatically different than f-class, and there appears to be some history with shooting this course of fire in smallbore for some time.
Was this course of fire just “relabeled” as f-class and it is really something completely different?

F-class is normally 60 record rounds plus sighters each day.
CW

Highpower f-class followed highpower prone courses of fire.

Now smallbore f-class is following smallbore prone courses of fire. It's typically not bringing highpower f-class CoF to smallbore.

In mini-palma we shoot a course of fire borrowed from highpower with 22s

Be flexible and shoot what they put out there.

 

[Kurt Blasser]

I have another question,
This course of fire is so dramatically different than f-class, and there appears to be some history with shooting this course of fire in smallbore for some time.
Was this course of fire just “relabeled” as f-class and it is really something completely different?

F-class is normally 60 record rounds plus sighters each day.
CW

I shoot F Class SB at two different ranges in Florida. The match consists of sighters, a string of twenty on the A 33, repeat twice for a total of 60 record shots.

 

[Ringostar]

Why do people keep thinking that there are set courses of fire for F class? F class is a branch of High Power. In many places sling shooting is still popular, and if you want to shoot F class your only choice is to shoot along with the sling shooters. There’s no such thing as holding separate matches. In the upper Midwest, long range is Palma course, midrange is 4 gun 600 matches. Those are 80 rounds for record each day. Nobody pouts and stomps, saying I only want to shoot 60! If you want to shoot Smallbore, you simply follow their course of fire. However, if you want to run your own matches with your own course of fire, don’t expect it to get registered.

 

[Kurt Blasser]

Why do people keep thinking that there are set courses of fire for F class? F class is a branch of High Power. In many places sling shooting is still popular, and if you want to shoot F class your only choice is to shoot along with the sling shooters. There’s no such thing as holding separate matches. In the upper Midwest, long range is Palma course, midrange is 4 gun 600 matches. Those are 80 rounds for record each day. Nobody pouts and stomps, saying I only want to shoot 60! If you want to shoot Smallbore, you simply follow their course of fire. However, if you want to run your own matches with your own course of fire, don’t expect it to get registered.

Not pouting, just stating what is happening in Florida. I beg to differ with two of your statements. We do hold separate matches at both ranges I reference above. Purely F Class, no slings. We are registered with the NRA at both ranges, and get F class smallbore classifications. Purely 3 strings of 20 at 100 yards with A33 targets. Heck, I'd just as soon shoot more and varied venues, but that's what we're doing.

 

[Erud]

I have another question,
This course of fire is so dramatically different than f-class, and there appears to be some history with shooting this course of fire in smallbore for some time.
Was this course of fire just “relabeled” as f-class and it is really something completely different?

F-class is normally 60 record rounds plus sighters each day.
CW

It's adding F-Class to matches that are already being held, and have a long tradition of the Course of Fire that is shot. What do you want them to do, run separate matches with a special 60-shot COF just for you?

 

[Kurt Blasser]

See the rule book above at the end about page 66 on are the provisional rules for F Class SB. It looks like there are 3 courses of fire approved. I suspect whoever is running the match picks the course of fire depending on their mix of shooters. Varied, but works for a variety of situations. I'm just glad F Class has made it's way to small bore.

 

[kzin]

Why do people keep thinking that there are set courses of fire for F class? F class is a branch of High Power. In many places sling shooting is still popular, and if you want to shoot F class your only choice is to shoot along with the sling shooters. There’s no such thing as holding separate matches. In the upper Midwest, long range is Palma course, midrange is 4 gun 600 matches. Those are 80 rounds for record each day. Nobody pouts and stomps, saying I only want to shoot 60! If you want to shoot Smallbore, you simply follow their course of fire. However, if you want to run your own matches with your own course of fire, don’t expect it to get registered.

What is '4 gun'?

 

[corning]

I have another question,
This course of fire is so dramatically different than f-class, and there appears to be some history with shooting this course of fire in smallbore for some time.
Was this course of fire just “relabeled” as f-class and it is really something completely different?

F-class is normally 60 record rounds plus sighters each day.
CW

Don't confuse small-bore with hi-power f-class.

The provisional small-bore f-class rules (2018) define the rifle, and the targets to use at the different distances. Pete (pfiori) referenced the pages in the small-bore rule book relative to the recognized courses of fire. When I was running league matches in hi-power (1980's) the NRA gave latitude on number of shots fired, as long as the match (league) conformed to the recognized COF. I ran half (40 shot) a national match course, at reduced distances, over 8 weeks that the NRA recognized for classification.

For small-bore, if you want to shoot 60 rounds at 100 yards, all well and good. If you want a 160 shot conventional style match (50 yd, 50 M, Dewar, and 100 yd), so be it. Heck, you could even do 80 shots in the conventional style format (20 at each stage rather than 80). You are agonizing too much over what to do.

 

[Kurt Blasser]

Don't confuse small-bore with hi-power f-class.

The provisional small-bore f-class rules (2018) define the rifle, and the targets to use at the different distances. Pete (pfiori) referenced the pages in the small-bore rule book relative to the recognized courses of fire. When I was running league matches in hi-power (1980's) the NRA gave latitude on number of shots fired, as long as the match (league) conformed to the recognized COF. I ran half (40 shot) a national match course, at reduced distances, over 8 weeks that the NRA recognized for classification.

For small-bore, if you want to shoot 60 rounds at 100 yards, all well and good. If you want a 160 shot conventional style match (50 yd, 50 M, Dewar, and 100 yd), so be it. Heck, you could even do 80 shots in the conventional style format (20 at each stage rather than 80). You are agonizing too much over what to do.

Sorry, Hate to be a pain in the rear, but the pages referenced above are not correct for F Class. Section 23 on page 61 contains the provisional rules for F Class Smallbore. Page 67 has the F Class courses of fire in section 19.4

 

[Mulligan]

I shoot F Class SB at two different ranges in Florida. The match consists of sighters, a string of twenty on the A 33, repeat twice for a total of 60 record shots.

Kurt,
at the ranges you attend, the course of fire is three strings of 20 rounds for record + sighter at 100 yards, correct?
If this works for an NRA approved match and the participants can earn classification then this is perfect!!!

I volunteered to look into this and set up some matches at out local range. We have a sizable group of older shooters who want to keep shooting but no longer want to deal with recoil. Several of the folks have grand kids that they want to get involved. Not lugging gear from one yardage to another would help them a bunch. In the summer heat here in western Colorado a 160 round match might run off some of the older fellas.
I've got a lot to learn.
CW

 

[Mulligan]

Don't confuse small-bore with hi-power f-class.

The provisional small-bore f-class rules (2018) define the rifle, and the targets to use at the different distances. Pete (pfiori) referenced the pages in the small-bore rule book relative to the recognized courses of fire. When I was running league matches in hi-power (1980's) the NRA gave latitude on number of shots fired, as long as the match (league) conformed to the recognized COF. I ran half (40 shot) a national match course, at reduced distances, over 8 weeks that the NRA recognized for classification.

For small-bore, if you want to shoot 60 rounds at 100 yards, all well and good. If you want a 160 shot conventional style match (50 yd, 50 M, Dewar, and 100 yd), so be it. Heck, you could even do 80 shots in the conventional style format (20 at each stage rather than 80). You are agonizing too much over what to do.

I might be, just trying to understand the program and rules.
CW