NO MORE POWDER ON THE SHELVES

[centershot]

Can anyone give an example of a business burning down or exploding due to public access to powder? Is this why they came out with "zombie" ammo?

 

[Evan]

My shelves, and no, they are not empty bottlesView attachment 1083292

For a moment I forgot you were a vendor and thought, "sheesh, pirate is ready for armagedon over there!"

 

[Termite I]

JayHHI6818,

I'm officially drooling now thanks to your pictures . Looks like a great store, some place I could spend the better part of a day looking at all the neat stuff. I'd just have to leave my wallet at home.

 

[Bert2368]

Can anyone give an example of a business burning down or exploding due to public access to powder?

I AM aware of a pretty bad fire in a fireworks retail space where large quantities of live products were stored on open shelves & in bins for customers to pick from this year. Even though it was up to code, they lost the whole building and had customer, staff and public safety people injured.

No official cause, last I heard. Given human nature, I would bet on human error/stupidity.

No matter, if the goods had been in several cargo containers well spaced out behind the store with only inert samples for customers to look at and paw over (while absent mindedly lighting a cigarette?), I expect both exposure to bad things by the great unwashed AND the probability for said bad things to occur would have been greatly reduced.

Also, that they would have lost business to stores where you could handle the "real thing" while deciding what to buy. Human nature again.

 

[clunker]

It is really unfortunate that there will always be enough stupid people in the world to ensure helicopter-parent codes. One idiot drowns himself in a five-gallon bucket and suddenly a warning label must appear on EVERY bucket to protect us from ourselves. I guess it makes sense that powder in the wrong hands can be a dangerous fire hazard, and unfortunately, there are still a lot of "wrong hands" that haven't won a Darwin award yet. Thankfully, I live on the border of a State that does not seem to enforce these codes very strictly. Looks like they have at least 400# on the shelf, not to mention what they might have in the back room. Great selection.

 

[centershot]

Fireworks? I do think we are into black powder fireworks.

 

[antelopedundee]

I am sure that the stores will hire more personnel to wait on the customers desiring powder. Powder does not explode it burns.

Unless it's black powder.

 

[antelopedundee]

I've been kinda lucky here in Michigan. Many locations that sell powder, do not have it most times I'm looking. I have a little honey hole shop I get mine at and although they do not sell it much in 8 lb jugs, I buy the one pounders. There prices are 10 year ago prices at 27.99 per pound for any powder I typically purchase. On top of that they offer me LE pricing which takes another few bucks off. Just picked up 3 lbs of RL 26 and 3 lbs of RL33. At around 150.00 OTD is real good considering they are one pound cans. Hoping they keep getting what I need on there shelves. I'm sure it will change as well.

Our local "gun" club does an annual bulk component order [44 pages of stuff to pick from] no hazmat or shipping. IMR7828 was $21.98 per pound plus sales tax. Ordered some powder, but otherwise I was GTG.

 

[tominboise]

I don't have any powder or primers in my house. Nor ammo or guns. They are dangerous.....

 

[dc.fireman]

Watched a video on this sight about how not dangerous all this stuff is when not in a gun. It was actually a fire fighting training video series. I suffered threw the entire series to get "educated" Seems like this is not based on the science.

It actually is based upon science.

The National Institute of Science & Technology (NIST) are the folks who test the stuff, and burn it measure the volume vs. the amount of heat it produces in mocked up buildings made of steel joists, gypsum board, wood studs, synthetic furniture & floor coverings, etc.

They post their data & findings, and make recommendations. When its time to update the code every 3 years, their data/findings can sometimes be considered for updating those codes.

 

[AJC]

It actually is based upon science.

The National Institute of Science & Technology (NIST) are the folks who test the stuff, and burn it measure the volume vs. the amount of heat it produces in mocked up buildings made of steel joists, gypsum board, wood studs, synthetic furniture & floor coverings, etc.

They post their data & findings, and make recommendations. When its time to update the code every 3 years, their data/findings can sometimes be considered for updating those codes.

Well I ment from a danger standpoint. A building full of toilet paper will still burn to the ground if it gets going.

 

[Someoldguy]

Hay barns. Corn fields ready for harvesting. A pile of old tires. A cardboard recycling plant. A fireworks warehouse.

Ain't a nickle's worth of difference so far as I can tell.

 

[284winner]

Just a plain old dry stretch of highway on a long hot summer waiting for a motorist to pitch a ciggy butt out the window constitutes more of a fire hazard than storing 100# of gun powder on a shelf in a loading room of a home. Sure, a fire in the home would turn that into a bomb...BUT a if a home caught unfire, it's history anyway. Typically homes aren't set unfire normally. Cigarettes are thrown from cars purposefully all the time regardless how dry or dangerous it is. Can't think of a time I recall gunpowder causing the fire. Matter of fact, never heard of it igniting in a home due to poor storage. I think we are pretty safe overall in terms of safety regarding powder storage. No laws need to be re written and enforced on the issue.

 

[Texas10]

A trailer being towed with its old, rusted safety chain dragging on the highway is incredibly efficient at starting brush fires. Until I saw it at night, throwing huge, red hot nuggets the size of marbles off into the brush, I would not have guessed it possible. It was a real eye opener. Iron oxide is a pyrotechnic ingredient capable of producing tremendous heat. Never seen a sign along a road warning of this, yet probably responsible for a lot of rangeland wildfires that get attributed to tossed cigs.

I've moved all my primers and powder to a detached garage for safety, and am thinking a small refrigerator is a good place to store it. I'm thinking the dry air inside a frig would be beneficial in the humid central TX area I live in.

Any thoughts about using a refrigerator to store powder and primers?

 

[antelopedundee]

A trailer being towed with its old, rusted safety chain dragging on the highway is incredibly efficient at starting brush fires. Until I saw it at night, throwing huge, red hot nuggets the size of marbles off into the brush, I would not have guessed it possible. It was a real eye opener. Iron oxide is a pyrotechnic ingredient capable of producing tremendous heat. Never seen a sign along a road warning of this, yet probably responsible for a lot of rangeland wildfires that get attributed to tossed cigs.

I've moved all my primers and powder to a detached garage for safety, and am thinking a small refrigerator is a good place to store it. I'm thinking the dry air inside a frig would be beneficial in the humid central TX area I live in.

Any thoughts about using a refrigerator to store powder and primers?

Isn't that pretty much what caused one of the recent California fires? A flat tire on a trailer where the rim sent sparks flying.
If you use a fridge make sure that the opened containers are well sealed lest moisture gets in. Also once you take stuff out let it warm up to ambient temperature for several hours before opening.

Just yesterday I pulled the bullet from an old round which had a split neck. The powder looked good, but it was wet-looking and clumpy; wouldn't even pour out of the case. The base of the bullet was corroded as was the primer anvil.

 

[antelopedundee]

Just a plain old dry stretch of highway on a long hot summer waiting for a motorist to pitch a ciggy butt out the window constitutes more of a fire hazard than storing 100# of gun powder on a shelf in a loading room of a home. Sure, a fire in the home would turn that into a bomb...BUT a if a home caught unfire, it's history anyway. Typically homes aren't set unfire normally. Cigarettes are thrown from cars purposefully all the time regardless how dry or dangerous it is. Can't think of a time I recall gunpowder causing the fire. Matter of fact, never heard of it igniting in a home due to poor storage. I think we are pretty safe overall in terms of safety regarding powder storage. No laws need to be re written and enforced on the issue.

In order to burn seriously, the powder has to be under pressure. A can or plastic container would not allow for much pressure buildup.

 

[284winner]

In order to burn seriously, the powder has to be under pressure. A can or plastic container would not allow for much pressure buildup.

Or a match !!!

 

[dc.fireman]

I don't believe tannerite will ignite via fire, it requires a significant impact, otherwise it is safe.

Correct - and it also requires a Part 'A', and Part 'B', hence the term 'binary explosive':

Binary Explosive video (requires age verification)

 

[Rustytigwire]

A trailer being towed with its old, rusted safety chain dragging on the highway is incredibly efficient at starting brush fires. Until I saw it at night, throwing huge,

I've moved all my primers and powder to a detached garage for safety, and am thinking a small refrigerator is a good place to store it. I'm thinking the dry air inside a frig would be beneficial in the humid central TX area I live in.

Any thoughts about using a refrigerator to store powder and primers?

Old inoperative refrigerator is a good dust wasp mud dauber free storage box. The insulation provides temp stability for the contents from temp daily extremes. It may have a pretty warm or cool average depending on locale. Would also surely provide short term fire protection but not much. Like time enough to run.
If its operable set it on 50 or 55.
Like said above warm before use or open contents on low humidity day. (Winter)
My2c

 

[Rsadams]

A trailer being towed with its old, rusted safety chain dragging on the highway is incredibly efficient at starting brush fires. Until I saw it at night, throwing huge, red hot nuggets the size of marbles off into the brush, I would not have guessed it possible. It was a real eye opener. Iron oxide is a pyrotechnic ingredient capable of producing tremendous heat. Never seen a sign along a road warning of this, yet probably responsible for a lot of rangeland wildfires that get attributed to tossed cigs.

I've moved all my primers and powder to a detached garage for safety, and am thinking a small refrigerator is a good place to store it. I'm thinking the dry air inside a frig would be beneficial in the humid central TX area I live in.

Any thoughts about using a refrigerator to store powder and primers?

If you also live in Central Texas than you know this starts to many fire to count down here every summer , dragging chains is most definitely a fire starter.... I live around 71 outside of Austin and it is a real bad problem...