New Rem 700 VS Old Rem 700

[Alex Wheeler]

I would take a new 700 action over and older one. The newer ones I have trued so far didn't even need it, while the older actions always seem to take a few thousandths to clean up. Unfortunately every new one has needed the primary extraction corrected.

 

[LHSmith]

The ac has dropped big time. The rifles are less refined to try and stay competitive in price. If you look at an early 90s 700 compared to a new one now. The difference is huge,

I googled "ac" and nothing they list fits the discussion. Perhaps you mean quality as in quality control (QC) as it was called in my day, or quality assurance (QA). Did they re-name it again?

 

[XTR]

QC is what you do on the floor, QA is the program of which QC is a part. (I hate that I know that)

 

[ireload2]

QC and QA have been pretty much superseded by statistical process control.
The people on the floor can tell when a process is starting to go out of control and can correct the problem.
Often manufacturing personnel do the in process measuring or inspection. QC will only do a sample inspection. There is no need to inspect very much if the process is controlled to Six Sigma standards. Six sigma 3.4 ppm mean 3.4 defect per million opportunity. It means 99.99966 % data falls withing specification.
You will never find inspectors that are that good.
The truth is that you cannot inspect quality into a product since QC does not change the part in any way.
The QC and QA people don't really contribute much of anything but they do have to exist in some fashion in order for the companies to pass the ISO 9001 audits.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

Bought a number of factory Rem 700s in the 1990s that were all fairly easy to get shooting under 1 MOA with a bit of trial and error on the load tuning. The ones purchased since 2000 or so just have not shot well with factory barrels and in some cases extensive load tuning could not produce an MOA group even with varmint barrels.

Sure, the action is a fine platform to build on, and a quality barrel installed by a good smith will make them sing. But a $1000 rifle should shoot well out of the box. The recent Savage rifles we've bought have all be great shooters out of the box. 0.5 MOA out of the box with "average" load development effort.

After the recent run of Rem 700s, I doubt anyone in the family will ever buy a new factory Rem 700 again.

 

[JRS]

QC and QA have been pretty much superseded by statistical process control.
The people on the floor can tell when a process is starting to go out of control and can correct the problem.
Often manufacturing personnel do the in process measuring or inspection. QC will only do a sample inspection. There is no need to inspect very much if the process is controlled to Six Sigma standards. Six sigma 3.4 ppm mean 3.4 defect per million opportunity. It means 99.99966 % data falls withing specification.
You will never find inspectors that are that good.
The truth is that you cannot inspect quality into a product since QC does not change the part in any way.
The QC and QA people don't really contribute much of anything but they do have to exist in some fashion in order for the companies to pass the ISO 9001 audits.

Really