I think the more innocuous explaination is that they are not that active on this board. I think there is basically one guy here that posts their new product announcements and answers a few questions and that's it.
NEW ELR COLD BORE WORLD RECORD!!!!
- Thread starter LSHopper
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I think the more innocuous explaination is that they are not that active on this board. I think there is basically one guy here that posts their new product announcements and answers a few questions and that's it.
The reality is that the "teams" are there to sell a product.
The 2nd Southeast ELR Match didn't get any traction because "very important people" didn't attend. (The people that are good at marketing.) David Tubb wasn't there. Applied Ballistics wasn't there. Snipershide doesn't even have a post on it's website either.
There's also a whole subsection dedicated to light gun class that is limited to 30 calibers and below that might be more interesting to average people. 30 calibers vs 7mm vs 6.5mm is probably a more relevant to most people's interests than 416 Barrett vs whatever proprietary 375 caliber just came out.
@Esoteric Junkie - Thank you in advance for the equipment info you will share and congratulations for the awesome accomplishment.
I think you are being very humble and understandably cautious in your analysis of the altitude effects at NRA-W. I think the firing line for many of the ranges may be even a few 100 feet higher than the 6250 ft you used, and the targets are certainly higher on up the sides of those cliffs, meaning the average elevation of the shot is maybe 300 - 500 feet more than you said.
I think world records should be density-altitude corrected to some standard conditions such as 59F, sea level, 50% relative humidity or some such, and should use the average of the conditions at the target and the firing line to adjust for atmospheric conditions.
Congratulations, that is amazing.
shoot4fun
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It turns out there IS a thread on Snipers Hide:
https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/elr-world-records.6934405/
It also turns out some unknown by the name of Tubb already has a record at longer distance. His record was never publicized either, according to the thread.
It also appears this FCSA Org has a pic of a plaques in the thread that recognize BOTH Mr. Tubb and Mr. Shell as World Record Holders, even though Mr. Shell's three shots were made at a shorter distance than Mr. Tubb's.
It is indeed quite an accomplishment for both of these talented shooters. They have set the bar high.
David did in fact shoot a longer distance, but per the rules, his wasn't recognized at the time because he had fired a gun in less than the required 4 hour break.
My whole point in all of this was that the Board sponsor, Applied Ballistics, didn't recognize in anything resembling a timely manner a New World Record that they established the rules on, on the board that they sponsor. Basically it has taken the Fifty Cal. guys to recognize the accomplishment before AB would.
I said it earlier, and I stand by it, that if it had been an AB team member that did it, it would have been on the Daily Bulletin within 48 hours and on any other website that would post it for them.
My whole point in all of this was that the Board sponsor, Applied Ballistics, didn't recognize in anything resembling a timely manner a New World Record that they established the rules on, on the board that they sponsor. Basically it has taken the Fifty Cal. guys to recognize the accomplishment before AB would.
I said it earlier, and I stand by it, that if it had been an AB team member that did it, it would have been on the Daily Bulletin within 48 hours and on any other website that would post it for them.
shoot4fun
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I guess I just don't know who is the target of your rant. I know virtually nothing about this ELR Cold Bore thing but it appears to be something that is administered by FCSA (Fifty Caliber Shooters Assoc?) and I see no mention of AB in the SH thread.
This basically feels like you're throwing rotten tomatoes at Applied Ballistics. I don't how you see that you're doing Mr. Shell any just reward by starting a congratulations thread and turning it into an AB bashing thread. Which was your true intent?
Maybe you should explain the whole backdrop of where this type match originated and just who is making the rules. It does appear from the SH thread that there are more guidelines than approved rules at this time.
I'll ask the stupid questions.
Why is it on Applied Ballistics to promote and publicize new records that others set? Are we upset because this subsection is "brought to you by AB" or that they advertise on the AS website? Does their sponsorship of this board begin and end with "We paid money to put our name here...and that money is presumably being used to make the website not suck?"
Should other site sponsors also be faulted for not recognizing Corbin's record in a timely enough manner? (Nevermind that I think it became "official" last week...which may be a whole other set of issues.)
Or are we getting mad that AB does the whole self-promotion thing well? Because in the same breath, David Tubb also does self-promotion fairly well. I am sure that if Davids record was actually recognized, his achievement with 37XC would have a tour de force on Snipershide as being truly ground breaking.
I'm not saying that you are wrong. But the AB Team has basically zero presence on this message board. DocUSMCRetired hasn't posted on the board for a month...and that's only in threads for AB products.
In my mind AB is the responsible organization to recognize a new record for ELR, because they are the folks that invented/promote it, the same as it would be the NRA that recognizes a new high-power record. I took the time, 2 weeks after the fact(thats when I found out about it), to congratulate Corbin on his remarkable achievement because the "Organizing/Governing" body had said nothing. I had hoped that by me putting it out there for the public to know about, that the appropriate individuals would also chime in. And they did, right after the .50 cal guys decided to make a big deal about. I never started this to be a dump on AB, I guess there silence caused it to go in that direction. Again, this is their Board.
I do not participate in this sport, I simply thought Corbin should be Recognized and Congratulated.
I do not participate in this sport, I simply thought Corbin should be Recognized and Congratulated.
Ledd Slinger
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Very impressive! 
In my world of hunting, cold bore shots are what matter the most. Gotta make em count. To me personally, 3 shots on target at that distance from a cold unsighted bore is far more impressive than any competition that allows sighter/barrel-warming rounds before firing for groups. Congratulations and well done sir. Be proud of what you have accomplished. 
In my world of hunting, cold bore shots are what matter the most. Gotta make em count. To me personally, 3 shots on target at that distance from a cold unsighted bore is far more impressive than any competition that allows sighter/barrel-warming rounds before firing for groups. Congratulations and well done sir. Be proud of what you have accomplished.
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shoot4fun
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Agreed! I shoot several matches a year that, while at distance no farther than 1,000 yards, have no sighters and, at least, a cold-bore start.Very impressive!
I hope that an organization with "credentials" can take the lead and turn this into a full-on competition with a good set of rules and record keeping.
21shooter
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NICE! NICE! NICE! First 3 rnds (COLD BORE) WOW! John
I will address the concerns some have raised here. The reason for the delay was bad timing on both ends. The record wasn't submitted for review until a week after it was shot. Then things have to be confirmed and questions have to be asked. We were busy the following week so things were slow. But I see someone posted "8 days". We didn't even have documentation of the shot 8 days afterwords in paper form. I was also slow to get things cleaned up on my end because ELR Central is an all volunteer program. We do not collect fees, or get paid by anyone. We volunteer our time, outside of work duties to do this stuff. Which means getting everything on the website in order etc.
On David Tubbs attempt. The reason his is not a record, is because multiple rule violations. The biggest was that a record attempt was made with one rifle where the shooter missed multiple times then impacted the target. Then they switched to a second rifle for another record attempt. This isn't allowed. A shooter can only shoot one rifle, and cannot shoot in the 4 hours prior. In this case the two strings of fire were shot within relative minutes of each other.
On David Tubbs attempt. The reason his is not a record, is because multiple rule violations. The biggest was that a record attempt was made with one rifle where the shooter missed multiple times then impacted the target. Then they switched to a second rifle for another record attempt. This isn't allowed. A shooter can only shoot one rifle, and cannot shoot in the 4 hours prior. In this case the two strings of fire were shot within relative minutes of each other.
Nate Stallter.
McMillan's ELRHQ
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Congrats Corbin Shell, admirable shooting!
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