new ammo manufacturer?
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CJ6
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It seems to me, that every time a Dem. was elected since Clinton that there's been a major run on all things gun related. It seems to get better when a Rep. gets in. I don't remember any of that before Clinton.
Brians356
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If it wouldn't be too much trouble, will you please point out the term "negativity", or a euphemism for same, in my original comment? I'll refresh your memory:
Production expands to fill a vacuum created by expanded demand. Of course, it can quickly collapse the other direction. That's why large established producers are loathe to build expensive new facilities. Boom or bust economics of a concentrated market. How many cycles have we all witnessed since the Clinton administration?
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A couple of points if I may. From a corporate stand point, democrats
are good for gun sales and republicans are not in the perspective cycle.
The workers in the gun industry have no fear of losing their jobs and
probably get some good overtime pay when Dems get elected. Now
prior to Clinton, we did not have the fear and sales expressed as we do
now with social media and computer purchases. Prior to that, most os
us relied on our LGS's and had no clue what was going on in the Industry.
With the advancement of social media and keyboard click purchasing,
the average buyer can effectively create havoc on stock piles. I think
that's where the term "Fear Mongering" comes into play. We have a
much faster access to the market we never had prior to the Clinton's.
Today I can check hundreds of times a day for related products, and
with a keystroke, activate a brown truck for delivery. Back then, I had to
drive to an LGS.....Just saying.
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FNSafari
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You are absolutely correct imo. Also, they are loathe to do so because they control a large % of the market and are cranking out product at huge markup's right now so there is little incentive to up their production capacity.
Dusty Stevens
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As soon as they get it up and running vista will buy it
Brians356
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It rings true. But the fly in the ointment is the fact that they are already at max production capacity. Choosing not to plan for, invest in, build, and staff new production facilities years in the future does not constitute constraining supply today, ostensibly to drive up prices.
Intuitively: Why would they choose to constrain supply now when they can sell everything they produce for record prices?
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They may have to constrain supply because their raw material
supply is constrained. For brass, bullets and primers, copper
is the key word here. Scrap is at an all time high. Every bullet
maker we use has no inventory. Custom makers like Bart and
Roy, sure are not holding back. They just can't get the raw material
to keep up with demand.
You don't think opec pinches down on oil when they don't like the price their getting for a barrel of oil? Control the supply and you can control the price. Look what's happening in the meatpacking buisness. Talk to the farmers raising cattle and see how fewer meat processors has affected the price they get and look what we're paying.
CJ6
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This is true.....BUT there are also ranchers out there that are grouping together and doing their own processing/marketing and there are more of these all the time.
FNSafari
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You are absolutely right and a good example of what market control WILL do and what competition WILL do. Thanks for reminding us.
bluealtered
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The subject is new factory's who are trying to produce the stuff we need to correct the problems we have now in getting the parts to do our hobby. Yes it's a big investment and a huge reward to those who do so.
Who knows, maybe some of us will actually pay attention and plan ahead instead of acting supprised when this type of thing happens again as it will happen again in some form at some time.
Who knows, maybe some of us will actually pay attention and plan ahead instead of acting supprised when this type of thing happens again as it will happen again in some form at some time.
D Coots
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There are several kinds of folks that do not plan ahead on supplies. Newbies, people that can't afford the sport, procrastinators, and those that just don't have a clue. These are the ones that call people that keep enough supplies for several years "hoarders." Those that stock up over the years don't mind being called a hoarder AFAIC.
Myself....I was a Boy Scout. I used up my $75/5,000 primers a couple of years ago.
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Dave
Before the internet there were several suppliers within reasonable driving distance to me. i could go there and buy several bags of shot get all the primers bullets and powder and everything else i needed. i could buy cases of factory ammo for my registered handicap shooting. now comes the internet and these suppliers are now gone. I for one enjoyed driving to these businesses and seeing what was new and what i wanted to try. Things were always in stock regardless of the political party of our president. nowadays people would rather sit on the couch and have all there stuff brought to them. now that social media is a thing people panic on someone else's word regardless of facts. I sure miss the good ole day's.
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