NEW 6.5 Creedmoor Cartridge from Hornady
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I was wondering the same thing myself.
SAAMI MAXIMUM CARTRIDGE / MINIMUM CHAMBER - http://www.saami.org/pubresources/cc_drawings/Rifle/6_5 Creedmoor.pdf
Lapua has apparently decided not to wait for SHOT 2017 and has announced today (23rd November) that it is making 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Moreover, Kevin Thomas' views (and those of others) have obviously carried weight as it it will be small primer (one assumes small 1.5mm flash-hole too) so it will have the case-head form and robustness of the 308 Win Palma, 6.5X47 Lapua and 308 Win Palma.
http://newsletter.lapua.club/a/s/94311509-f75d814eafe2741a098f0767f6f66be5/1468273
The company says available in 'Q1 2017'. No doubt, we'll hear more from Kevin soon on this topic. Way to go!
Edit - the slightly fuller piece on the company's website conforms it'll be the 1.5mm / 0.059" flash-hole dia. form.
http://newsletter.lapua.club/a/s/94311509-f75d814eafe2741a098f0767f6f66be5/1468273
The company says available in 'Q1 2017'. No doubt, we'll hear more from Kevin soon on this topic. Way to go!
Edit - the slightly fuller piece on the company's website conforms it'll be the 1.5mm / 0.059" flash-hole dia. form.
Now wondering how the Lapua creedmoor brass small primer will function in my TRG22...
shoot4fun
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That is a valid question. I never saw anyone say their 308 wouldn't function with Lapua 308 Palma brass though.
Any way, I've put a couple hundred on BO at Grafs for curiosity sake. I can honestly say though that I have been extremely pleased with the performance of Hornady brass over the years.
It functions just fine in a RPR with stock bolt/fire control......very fine I might add! Looks like I was a year early getting into this cartridge as I have about 400 'roll your own' Creed Lapua cases, half being from Palma brass. The Palma converts are the only ones being shot currently as I have a bunch of Wolf SRM primers and it is a great combo with H4350/140 class pill.
Yes they are in process of making the new brass but I cant wait to see if its any better than the current 6.5x47 lapua.
Note that Sierra has now published a full six page addition to its 5th edition reloading manual for the 6.5 Creedmoor for nine of its bullets including the new 130gn TMK.
http://sierrabulletsblog.com/2017/01/09/sierra-bullets-6-5-creedmoor-load-data/
http://sierrabulletsblog.com/2017/01/09/sierra-bullets-6-5-creedmoor-load-data/
rap36case
Working up loads for new Shilen 308win
I see not advantage to small primers. If I have to buy new primers just to use Lapua brass, then no thank you. I shoot both 308win and 6.5 creedmoor. I use lapua brass for 308 and Hornady or Winchester for the 6.5. I use BR2 large primers and Varget for both and get under 0.4 MOA for both with Berger bullets.
I am curious to see the official dimensions when they come out. If lapua wants to use small primers, why not call it the 6.5 lapua?
I am curious to see the official dimensions when they come out. If lapua wants to use small primers, why not call it the 6.5 lapua?
Lapua is probably just using some of the same tooling used to produce 6.5x47 and capture some of the brass market created by 6.5 Creed shooters.
As for the small versus large primers, yesterday some .308 Palma (Lapua) brass I had formed into 6.5 Creedmoor. Average speed was 2713 fps with an ES of 9 and a SD of 4. The speed was 24 fps FASTER than a load .8 gr larger (both H-4350 with 140 gr ELD-M's) which had ES/SD in the double digits.
Take some time to read what Lapua has to say about small primers in the Creedmoor Case and also ask yourself why they use them in the 6.5X47 L
As for buying 6.5 Creedmoor Lapua Brass, for now I'll just form mine out of .308 Lapua Palma brass and save $45 per hundred.
rap36case
Working up loads for new Shilen 308win
I would like to see a good study on using BR2 vs BR4 primers for 308win and/or 6.5 cm. Always good to know experimentally why someone makes that choice. I have seen something written about F/TR and Plama winners using smaller BR4 primers.
As for buying 6.5 Creedmoor Lapua Brass, for now I'll just form mine out of .308 Lapua Palma brass and save $45 per hundred.[/QUOTE]
I recently bought 200 cases of Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass and after loading Hornady and Prime/Norma brass there is no comparison in my mind between the Lapua cases and the others! I can load the Lapua and get 0.001 runout or less Berger 130gr AR Hybrids using my Whidden FL sizer and seater. I cannot come close to that with either of the other cases. There is also no competition for weighed consistency either. My 200 cases all weighed between 164.9 and 166.0 grains with only 5 cases weighing either 164.9, 165.0 or 166.0.
Amlevin:
Do you just resize the 308 Palma brass in a 6.5 Creedmoor die and shoot it or do you neck turn it also?
Thanks,
Jon
I recently bought 200 cases of Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass and after loading Hornady and Prime/Norma brass there is no comparison in my mind between the Lapua cases and the others! I can load the Lapua and get 0.001 runout or less Berger 130gr AR Hybrids using my Whidden FL sizer and seater. I cannot come close to that with either of the other cases. There is also no competition for weighed consistency either. My 200 cases all weighed between 164.9 and 166.0 grains with only 5 cases weighing either 164.9, 165.0 or 166.0.
Amlevin:
Do you just resize the 308 Palma brass in a 6.5 Creedmoor die and shoot it or do you neck turn it also?
Thanks,
Jon
I recently bought 200 cases of Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass and after loading Hornady and Prime/Norma brass there is no comparison in my mind between the Lapua cases and the others! I can load the Lapua and get 0.001 runout or less Berger 130gr AR Hybrids using my Whidden FL sizer and seater. I cannot come close to that with either of the other cases. There is also no competition for weighed consistency either. My 200 cases all weighed between 164.9 and 166.0 grains with only 5 cases weighing either 164.9, 165.0 or 166.0.
Amlevin:
Do you just resize the 308 Palma brass in a 6.5 Creedmoor die and shoot it or do you neck turn it also?
Thanks,
Jon[/QUOTE]
My process is as follows:
Form shoulder with a Redding Body die
Trim case to 1.910"
Expand with Sinclair Mandrel expander (oversize for neck turning)
Turn necks to .015" thickness.
Note: this thick a neck, with bullet seated, will just fit my chamber with minimum clearance. Bare minimum. I use a starting load for a 140gr bullet.
Fire form case
Ream the neck of the fired case using an L. E. Wilson Neck Reamer. My cases now measure .014" neck thickness and absolutely NO DOUGHNUT, period.
By using both neck turning and reaming I feel I have now created a case that has necks as "straight" as possible and a neck clearance of .002" in my chamber.
If one wanted to (and I didn't) they could fire form the trimmed cases using Cream of Wheat and a pistol powder, then merely ream the necks for clearance. I wanted to start with nice clean necks so I reduced the thickness first and just fire formed with bullets.
It seems to work pretty darn well. First loads with the finished cases averaged 2713 fps with an ES of 9 and an SD of 4. From a factory Savage barrel the groups measured ~.25"
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Amlevin:
Thanks for the super explanation!
Those are great ES and SD #s are you using H4350?
Thanks for the super explanation!
Those are great ES and SD #s are you using H4350?
Yes.
I'm also going to start using IMR-4451 as a backup to H4350 if it doesn't become more readily available.
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