My CCW qualification

[300_whisper]

Lets say the firearm was stolen from you and recovered at the scene of a crime. It is traced to the original purchaser whom you bought it from. Now, is that person going to perjure themselves and claim it was stolen from him to protect you or is he going to say I sold it to XYZ before the law went into effect before he remembers he originally bought it after the law went into effect?

If more than one person is involved in any transaction there is a 50% chance at minimum that more people will know about it. Roll the dice anyway you are comfortable with and live with the consequences.

“Officer, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Have a good day.”

 

[DangerRanger]

I’ve been clearing my house in my briefs every time my wife goes to get grocery for a decade now let me know if you need any tips

 

[hoz53]

Not in all states.

yeah our state doesnt require classroom or live firing for ccw but they do nics checks for all guns weather you have ccw or not. they did just vote in constitutional carry though

 

[Jeff Porter]

Rumor has it I get two checks a day whether I buy a gun or not in illinois. One for being in the CCW list and one for the stupid FOID. It is really helping the problems in Chicago ! ‍

 

[Brians356]

“Officer, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Have a good day.”

"Well, then we're going to have to discuss this further at HQ. Better bring your toothbrush and your lawyer's phone number."
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[300_whisper]

Luckily I’m in a free state and can sell to individuals. Or maybe I just lost them? Who knows? Crazy times.

 

[David Milisock]

I am a NC Justice Academy Certified CCW instructor, Certified NRA Basic Pistol Instructor, 40 year USPSA competitor, 3 Gun competitor, and a 28 year LEO veteran. I have been very fortunate to be able to shoot with some of the absolute worlds best, Military and Civilian. I do understand that too some individuals, a class may be boring and it may seem useless to some. Don't be so arrogant and self centered and carry a mind set that you can't learn anything. You are short changing yourself and possibly create problems for other that do want to learn. The simple reason it is called a class. The law requires it in most states. Some states do not.

I hope that anyone that gets their CCW, never has to get into a confrontation and lethal force has to be used. If it is the case that lethal force has to be used, I pray the victim has the "Mind Set" to end the threat. It is not the same as shooting a piece of paper or cardboard that does not shoot back. You have to be and must be honest with yourself and ask yourself, can you take another humans life. You need to know that answer in your mind before you enter into being a CCW permit holder. The permit will not, and does not put a giant S on your chest.

Just remember a couple of things, a bullet comes out of the barrel and it does not come back, no reset button. Second, a bullet has no eyes, it does not see race, color, religion, male, female, adult or child, innocent bystander, etc. A few things to consider in being a CCW permit holder. Use your right that has been granted to you by the law and be alert and stay safe.

Also, congrats on the OP on getting a CCW permit.

Tom

Maybe I can help you be a better instructor. Most of what you say in the following is YADA YADA BS and it makes people crazy!

This is fine (Just remember a couple of things, a bullet comes out of the barrel and it does not come back, no reset button.) it's good safety, but please!

(I hope that anyone that gets their CCW, never has to get into a confrontation and lethal force has to be used. If it is the case that lethal force has to be used, I pray the victim has the "Mind Set" to end the threat. It is not the same as shooting a piece of paper or cardboard that does not shoot back. You have to be and must be honest with yourself and ask yourself, can you take another humans life. You need to know that answer in your mind before you enter into being a CCW permit holder. The permit will not, and does not put a giant S on your chest.

Just remember a couple of things, a bullet comes out of the barrel and it does not come back, no reset button. Second, a bullet has no eyes, it does not see race, color, religion, male, female, adult or child, innocent bystander, etc. A few things to consider in being a CCW permit holder. Use your right that has been granted to you by the law and be alert and stay safe.)

Now the worst! (Use your right that has been granted to you by the law) Our right to keep and bear arms is not granted to us, as Citizens of the United States of America we are born with it and the Constitution of the United States prevents the government from infringing on those rights. It does not grant rights, the constitution protects rights from the government and instructors. I simply don't want to hear about your thoughts on the range if it does not have to do with safety.

All that can be taught is safety, proficiency with firearms or anything else comes with practice, you can run through BS scenarios all you want but, in the end, from my experiences violent confrontation is different every time.

Many times, those drills you run get you in trouble. I prefer to avoid and evade when possible, however if need I'll close the range and take care of business. I however unlike instructors do not tell people how to defend themselves.

 

[troupe]

I agree with you on a couple of things and that is, being born in the US, the U.S. Constitution is a right and that violent confrontations are different every time. I also hope that every single person that I am involved in with them obtaining their CCW has the "Mind Set" when that second that they are faced with and the very best actions is to not be in it at all. All that can be taught is a the general idea and safety, and it is up to the students to continue to improve on their skills.

Word it how ever you would like to make you feel better. I hate that it may makes you feel crazy or possibly the people that you are speaking for feel crazy, but I have never had any complaints with my simple verbiage. I teach a lot of people that do use their right that is granted to them by the State of North Carolina ,that they reside in to be a CCW holder. I am open to being a better instructor, and open to any and all criticism. If you did not want to hear my thoughts, you did not have to read it, especially if it makes you upset or worse, crazy. I am not aware that you have ever been in a class that I have taught, or possibly been involved in any drills or live fire shooting that I would or may have ran.

I hope that your instructions or life's experiences go well in your helping of others in the safety, need or use of firearms. You as well as I, know that there are many that have no idea of reality, and what may be involved in it by being a CCW permit holder. Unfortunately the world has a large percentage of people that live in that world. But we all see how the world is changing everyday. That being said, I do not want to see a single person be involved in a violent confrontation. I try my best to give folks an idea of reality, how dangerous of handling a weapon can be and the safety that has to be taken in doing that. I am a simple man that uses simple terms to get my point across. I guess you understood my points and examples that I stated or you would not have commented. You just did not like the way I said it.

Thanks for pointing it out to me and I hope to be a better instructor in helping the men and women that I take the effort in teaching. That is not, Yada, Yada, Yada or BS, just my thoughts.

Thanks for your input and I wish you well.

Tom

 

[mr45man]

Nice work. Do you plan to use the .22 as a gun you may carry ?
I used the gun I carry for CCW qual. Ruger 38 LCR. It is blended into the black bench.

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Good shooting, you ended one repeat offenders crime spree.

 

[Steve Donlon]

You don't need one in Arizona to carry concealed but the advantage of having one is there is no waiting period to buy any type of firearm. It seems that some people when they first move here is to walk around with a big pistol on their hip.

 

[charlie b]

FWIW, the CCW instructors job is not to teach how to shoot. It is simply to impart some legal guidelines for people to think about before they start carrying a weapon. The shooting test is to see if you know enough to use a gun, not to see how accurate you are. Is it a waste of time? For serious, experienced people it is. The course was not designed for you. It was designed to identify the ones who don't know how to shoot and inform those who had not thought of the legal issues before applying.

One class an older gent got out a very old revolver and proceeded to miss a 2ft square target at 7ft. All 6 shots missed.

Another was a young girl (on the large side) who was applying to carry for a security company (she was unarmed and wanted the extra pay for armed positions). She did hit the 7ft tgt most of the time , but, the 15ft target she hit 2 out of 15 rounds.

Those are the people the course is intended to weed out.

 

[Brians356]

You don't need one in Arizona to carry concealed but the advantage of having one is there is no waiting period to buy any type of firearm. It seems that some people when they first move here is to walk around with a big pistol on their hip.

I noticed that visiting Phoenix. Here in Nevada open carry has always been legal, but I don't recall ever seeing someone flaunting it, say in a popular restaurant, like I did in AZ. And even outdoors here I simply never see open carry.
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[Steve Donlon]

I noticed that visiting Phoenix. Here in Nevada open carry has always been legal, but I don't recall ever seeing someone flaunting it, say in a popular restaurant, like I did in AZ. And even outdoors here I simply never see open carry.
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I think it happens because where the lived it was illegal and they are over whelmed with their new freedoms , because after enough people have asked them why are advertising that they are armed, they get the point. Or they are on vacation. There is no point in open carry unless it's your job.

 

[charlie b]

Growing up in Phx it wasn't unusual to see folks carrying. Mainly the ranchers but quite a few others. There were quite a few pickups in the HS parking lot with lever actions or shotguns in the back window. There was a huge uproar when the city decided to make it illegal to carry a gun into a bar. Then the huge influx of calif folks changed the footprint completely, especially in Phx. At least the state has seen fit to go back to the better side.

And, yeah, it is kinda dumb to open carry. Like the "shoot me first" vests.

 

[ELR LVR]

I'm in a "shall issue" state also.
But we don't have the classroom or qualification requirements.

Go to sheriffs office, fill out your paperwork with check for $25 and grab a chair while they run your background.
Good for 5 years.

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Now this is the way it should be

 

[snert]

I just wish there was a test and permit for Free Speech...if properly applied it might discourrage someone from talking stupid.

But I doubt it.

 

[Bojo]

I read all four pages.
I’m am not LEO or Military, just a common man.

Grew up in Pa bought my first house in NY state as it was only 12 miles from where I grew up to the state line.

Prior to moving I had my PA ccw

As I was only .5 miles over the line and did very little to nothing in NY other than that daily .5 mile I did not worry about a NY state permit for a few years.

Fast forward a couple I went to my mandatory basic pistol class for my permit in NY.

That instructor there was it what I only assume (yes I know that is dangerous) was the kind of information that many early in this post complained about.

More about him and his life’s journeys and accomplishments in the class than there was the meat and potatoes of why we were there. Life happened and I never finished my CCW process before the 1 year certificate ran out.
I had to retake the class again, however I chose a different location and had a much better experience and actually gained some knowledge. We shot indoor 22 pistols in the training process. I remember I shot the Ruger mk2. Pretty well and when talking I told them I had the same gun already.

Conversation ensued and I ended up outside within of the instructors who was a Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Deputy.

I ended up shooting his scoped Super RedHawk and sig 239 if I remember correctly.

That second class was a far better experience than the first one.

Finished my permit process and waited to be Anointed. That took several months.

Getting the pistols I already owned legally across state lines and onto my permit and buying others later was and still is a shit show of back and forth driving to the county courthouse and gun shops multiple times.


Fast forward a few more years I moved back to PA but was keeping the place in NY as rental and a place to hunt.

I called up to the courthouse to figure out the process of updating my permit.
I was informed that since my primary residence was not in NY state that my permit was now null and void.

 

[FNSafari]

"Since the qualification involved several timed draw-and-fire exercises, I debated using the larger, softer-recoiling Sig. In the end, though, when we had to fill out the form indicating our weapon... I decided to go with the 1911."

Exactly the right thing to do IMO. When I was active as a reserve deputy in my county's SO, we qualified twice a year. I carreied, at the time, a S&W model 19 .357. The county supplied .38 special wadcutter ammo. I brought my own factory 158 grain 357 ammo and qualified with that, and made sure the paperwork clearly indicated what pistol I shot and what ammo I shot...should I ever end up in a duty shooting incident. Fortunately I never did.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

My first CCP class was on a farm, since the "qualification" shooting was outside(March) I used my 7.65x25 Tokarev, I didn't want to need to retrieve brass. I had a year to submit forms to the cty sheriff, I waited 11 months. Mainly because having the CCP is actually a legal liability here. Have the CCP/weapon on you DUI level cut in half(0.04). Not a bar guy, or a drinker( months since I've had a beer). And the state can call your instructor as a "witness" against you?? Have a CCP and be involved in a shooting, prosecutors CAN attach a premeditated statement to a jury?? All of this is of course lib b.s. added to "create" a law that "allows" me to exercise my 2nd amendment right? I still renew and carry, knowing that I will likely face a jury protecting myself or others.

 

[joshb]

Down here in Texas, It’s still legal to hang horse thieves.