My CCW qualification

[rr2030]

I am sure there are some legal issues to be learned at a class, but can also be learned reading. Classes are good for someone who has never been a shooter. But your experience with your instructor and shooting around instrutors is why I have zilch incentive to attend a class. They seem more impressed with being the instructor than with having good skills. I am sure there are exceptions, maybe lots, but NOT those I have encountered which includes some who are considered as experts and hired to advise and testify in trials for considerable amount of compensation.

I respectfully disagree, and agree. Some instructors are better than others. Just as some teachers are better than others, some plumbers are better than others, you get my drift. I research and seek out what I believe is the better instructor. I have not had a bad one yet. As an instructor myself, I often attend classes by GOOD instructors. I am not talking about marksmanship, I am talking about legality, tactics, strategy, and the mindset necessary to hopefully stay alive in a CCW related gunfight. So when the last piece of brass rolls to a stop, I am still alive, I have defended myself, not been arrested, not charged, and not sued.

 

[drop_point]

I am sure there are some legal issues to be learned at a class, but can also be learned reading. Classes are good for someone who has never been a shooter. But your experience with your instructor and shooting around instrutors is why I have zilch incentive to attend a class. They seem more impressed with being the instructor than with having good skills. I am sure there are exceptions, maybe lots, but NOT those I have encountered which includes some who are considered as experts and hired to advise and testify in trials for considerable amount of compensation.

I believe you're doing yourself a major disservice with your closed mindedness. Perhaps, even a case of not knowing what you don't know. There is a lot to learn, especially in a gunfighting class. I don't that you are skilled in gunfighting. Any instructor worth his salt provides you with a written curriculum of what material was covered and will testify in court on your behalf.

 

[mousegunner]

As it were, I could hit the broad side of a barn, and my score was 100% by the low CCW standard, which only means I punched holes all inside the 8 ring. My first ten shots from 10 ft were all inside the 'X' ring, more or less inside the yellow circle I added here. It was all downhill from there, at longer range, as fatigue set in, physical and mental (from the awful din and chasing the swinging target) and the results show that. As I was leaving the proprietor glanced at my target and helpfully assured me "You need to come back and practice". Gee, thanks.

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I'm sure if the target wasn't moving you would've shot better. Practice? Yes everyone should practice ALOT if they're gonna carry.

I don't get the fatigue physical and mental part. Is it because it was a long day? The target moving around? Whatever the case you did good despite the moving target.

I've gotten tired after a day of shooting across the course. Shifting winds, shooting jacket on a west Texas summer day. That will tire you but I digress.

I would move up to a 9mm, shoot on a steady target and practice, practice, practice!

Look into shooting IDPA. A lot different from stationary targets.

 

[Forum Boss]

I am sure there are some legal issues to be learned at a class, but can also be learned reading. Classes are good for someone who has never been a shooter. But your experience with your instructor and shooting around instructors is why I have zilch incentive to attend a class. They seem more impressed with being the instructor than with having good skills. I am sure there are exceptions, maybe lots, but NOT those I have encountered which includes some who are considered as experts and hired to advise and testify in trials for considerable amount of compensation.

Quote: Classes are good for someone who has never been a shooter.

Strongly disagree.

At one point I taught pistol classes -- not for CCW certification but for general training of club members and those who wished to participate in our action pistol matches.

I would say overall, the newer members, in particular ladies, were FAR better students. They were not arrogant and had not developed bad habits.

Many of the "experienced" shooters had very bad habits, did not understand correct sight picture, were prone to safety violations, and were impatient.

After two 45-minute sessions or so I could usually get a new shooter doing better than many of the more experienced guys who refused to acknowledge their bad habits.

One guy got so angry when a new lady shooter (whom I had trained) beat him at her first-ever IDPA match that he said he'd never shoot another match.

All the instructors with whom I worked at my club and at commercial facilities were patient, knowledgeable, with good skills. Clearly there may be exceptions to this. But I find the above post overbroad and it sends the wrong message.

I believe the ALL CCW holders can benefit with regular practice and training.

 

[ERP]

When qualifying with my nice Sig Compact my instructor called me to the side and asked if I would be carrying this gun? He suggested I carry something similar in caliper if I like, but cheaper to replace. I asked why?
He said If I shoot someone legal or not they will take my gun and it will take a lot of bs to get it back if ever. Coming from a 30+ year law enforcement person I took his advice. So much for the legal citizen and his choices. So I went Ruger then... They don't want you to be armed. That's a fact...

 

[Bocephus]

The range was open for walk-in general shooting. The cannon shooter was not a CCW qual, he was just that guy you hate to be next to at the range.
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Well, blessings appear in the strangest of places. Just imagine if that 44 guy was a perv and you were toting your 22.
No alibis in the real world.

 

[drop_point]

When qualifying with my nice Sig Compact my instructor called me to the side and asked if I would be carrying this gun? He suggested I carry something similar in caliper if I like, but cheaper to replace. I asked why?
He said If I shoot someone legal or not they will take my gun and it will take a lot of bs to get it back if ever. Coming from a 30+ year law enforcement person I took his advice. So much for the legal citizen and his choices. So I went Ruger then... They don't want you to be armed. That's a fact...

My life is worth more to me and my family than any gun. I do not worry about the cost of the gun. I'll use the most effective tool for the job.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Nothing matches lots of practice over time, I agree.

 

[300_whisper]

Let the guy shoot with a .22. Who cares. Majority of laws are dumb anyway.

Get training because you want to. If you don’t, again, who cares.

 

[rr2030]

When qualifying with my nice Sig Compact my instructor called me to the side and asked if I would be carrying this gun? He suggested I carry something similar in caliper if I like, but cheaper to replace. I asked why?
He said If I shoot someone legal or not they will take my gun and it will take a lot of bs to get it back if ever. Coming from a 30+ year law enforcement person I took his advice. So much for the legal citizen and his choices. So I went Ruger then... They don't want you to be armed. That's a fact...

Strange line of thinking. I will train with the best weapon I own for the purpose at hand. If I save my life and relinquish my firearm so be it. I am into collecting birthdays, not firearms.

 

[rr2030]

Let the guy shoot with a .22. Who cares. Majority of laws are dumb anyway.

Get training because you want to. If you don’t, again, who cares.

LOL I get it ........

 

[nmkid]

Practice, practice, practice. Attend class(?) if possible. If you ever get in a situation and the target starts shooting back...Maybe you will be able to go home safe and sound.

 

[drop_point]

Yep, standing in front of a bullseye is nothing like being in a fight for your life where bullets can fly both ways. If you think your "skills" from the range translate, you're foolin' yourself.

 

[Just Say Moe]

Quote: Classes are good for someone who has never been a shooter.

Strongly disagree.

At one point I taught pistol classes -- not for CCW certification but for general training of club members and those who wished to participate in our action pistol matches.

I would say overall, the newer members, in particular ladies, were FAR better students. They were not arrogant and had not developed bad habits.

Many of the "experienced" shooters had very bad habits, did not understand correct sight picture, were prone to safety violations, and were impatient.

After two 45-minute sessions or so I could usually get a new shooter doing better than many of the more experienced guys who refused to acknowledge their bad habits.

One guy got so angry when a new lady shooter (whom I had trained) beat him at her first-ever IDPA match that he said he'd never shoot another match.

All the instructors with whom I worked at my club and at commercial facilities were patient, knowledgeable, with good skills. Clearly there may be exceptions to this. But I find the above post overbroad and it sends the wrong message.

I believe the ALL CCW holders can benefit with regular practice and training.

I agree to a point. CCW classes should not be "how to shoot your gun" UNLESS advertised that way. I am an experienced shooter and I am glad to get tips from an instructor but don't care to be in the same class as someone who cannot safely load their pistol and barely knows which end to point. The last requalification shoot I had, you could tell people were there who had not touched a pistol in the previous 5 years they had their license. Sorry, but they can waste their time but not mine.

 

[archerforkids]

Yep, standing in front of a bullseye is nothing like being in a fight for your life where bullets can fly both ways. If you think your "skills" from the range translate, you're foolin' yourself.

Most officers never engage in a gun battle. Unfortunately I didn't fall in that category. Believe me when I say you need to practice enough that everything you do in that "moment of terror" is automatic and reliable. All that John Wayne cowboy chit goes right out the window.

 

[Taildrag15X]

I find it sort of ironic with all the New York bashing that goes on here (much of it rightfully deserved) that in the rural agricultural based upstate county I live in all the pistol permits are automatically concealed carry. There are exceptions I am sure but for the most part they are CCW. That is not true for the surrounding counties however. I didn't even realize this until I asked the girl at the county clerk's office. I guess if I have to live in NY I will take any bonus I can get.

Here in Clinton County the Judge wouldn't issue a CCW, that changed after he retired, but for close to 40 years Pistol Permits were hunting and range only.

 

[338 dude]

Here in Texas you can get your license then carry whatever you want.... 8 hours of book and a min of 50 rounds.... They now have constitutional carry but if you keep your license you don't have to do background checks and you can travel to other states that recognize it....

Pretty much how it is in Tennessee

 

[Tempest]

Many years ago when I got mine, they moved the target from 7ft out to 75ft. Woman next to me missed the 1st shot at 7ft with a snub nose .38.

All I could think was, if she passes, she's going to carry.

 

[drop_point]

Most officers never engage in a gun battle. Unfortunately I didn't fall in that category. Believe me when I say you need to practice enough that everything you do in that "moment of terror" is automatic and reliable. All that John Wayne cowboy chit goes right out the window.

Yup...force on force is humbling.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Most important thing you can do, especially in a state with blue judges, is get CCW insurance from X insurance, not some third party club where they have a policy and may help you if they want. You have insurance on vehicles and your house, and youre the named insured on the policy, why would you trust your freedom and fortune to a policy that doesnt even have your name as the insured?