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My CCW qualification

Brians356

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After decades of dithering, I finally decide to obtain a concealed carry permit ("CCW" in my state of residence, to remain nameless here.) In this "shall issue" state, I had to sit through a 9-hour firearm safety class (which was mostly about legal issues and scenarios, actually very informative and useful) then qualify shooting 30 rounds at an indoor commercial range. The class (run by a licensed instructor chosen from a list of about fifty such approved by my County) cost $120 for a new CCW applicant, good for 5 years. The local indoor range charged $17 including safety glasses for what amounted to 15 minutes to qualify (although I could have shot for the remainder of an hour had I so desired - no thanks!) My application submitted to the County (requiring fingerprinting) cost $110. In round numbers I'm in for $250.

The qualification session: I shot 30 rounds total, 10 each at 10, 20 and 30 feet, standing freehand. Having free choice of gun, I used a Ruger 22 LR auto pistol with a 5.25" bull barrel and open sights. (Cheap ammo, easy to shoot, great SA trigger.)

The target was hanging like a shirt on a hanger, and with the indoor ventilation system it was oscillating continuously side-to-side about 6 inches. (The proprietor later admitted "Need to fix that".) So I chose to time the shots to catch it where it changed direction on the left end of each swing. Also, someone next to me was shooting a cannon, a 44 mag or 460 Casull or God knows what, the muzzle blast flapping my eyebrows and a gob of powder residue dousing my face after each wallop. For some reason I switched ammo after the 10-ft session - dumb, as I had plenty. Later, I realized the Ruger I had bought from a pawn shop decades earlier had never been sighted in or checked out on target by your narrator. Also dumb.

As it were, I could hit the broad side of a barn, and my score was 100% by the low CCW standard, which only means I punched holes all inside the 8 ring. My first ten shots from 10 ft were all inside the 'X' ring, more or less inside the yellow circle I added here. It was all downhill from there, at longer range, as fatigue set in, physical and mental (from the awful din and chasing the swinging target) and the results show that. As I was leaving the proprietor glanced at my target and helpfully assured me "You need to come back and practice". Gee, thanks.

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After decades of dithering, I finally decide to obtain a concealed carry permit ("CCW" in my state of residence, to remain nameless here.) In this "shall issue" state, I had to sit through a 9-hour firearm safety class (which was mostly about legal issues and scenarios, actually very informative and useful) then qualify shooting 30 rounds at an indoor commercial range. The class (run by a licensed instructor chosen from a list of about fifty such approved by my County) cost $120 for a new CCW applicant, good for 5 years. The local indoor range charged $17 including safety glasses for what amounted to 15 minutes to qualify (although I could have shot for the remainder of an hour had I so desired - no thanks!) My application submitted to the County (requiring fingerprinting) cost $110. In round numbers I'm in for $250.

The qualification session: I shot 30 rounds total, 10 each at 10, 20 and 30 feet, standing freehand. Having free choice of gun, I used a Ruger 22 LR auto pistol with a 5.25" bull barrel and open sights. (Cheap ammo, easy to shoot, great SA trigger.)

The target was hanging like a shirt on a hanger, and with the indoor ventilation system it was oscillating continuously side-to-side about 6 inches. (The proprietor later admitted "Need to fix that".) So I chose to time the shots to catch it where it changed direction on the left end of each swing. Also, someone next to me was shooting a cannon, a 44 mag or 460 Casull or God knows what, the muzzle blast flapping my eyebrows and a gob of powder residue dousing my face after each wallop. For some reason I switched ammo after the 10-ft session - dumb, as I had plenty. Later, I realized the Ruger I had bought from a pawn shop decades earlier had never been sighted in or checked out on target by your narrator. Also dumb.

As it were, I could hit the broad side of a barn, and my score was 100% by the low CCW standard, which only means I punched holes all inside the 8 ring. My first ten shots from 10 ft were all inside the 'X' ring, more or less inside the yellow circle I added here. It was all downhill from there, at longer range, as fatigue set in, physical and mental (from the awful din and chasing the swinging target) and the results show that. As I was leaving the proprietor glanced at my target and helpfully assured me "You need to come back and practice". Gee, thanks.

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in Nd they hung a piece of computer paper up there(81/2x11) and your shots had to hit on that from all distances. i used a 1911- mabie i should have been more considerate to the shooters next to me and used a .22—did the 44mag guy qualify?
 
in Nd they hung a piece of computer paper up there(81/2x11) and your shots had to hit on that from all distances. i used a 1911- mabie i should have been more considerate to the shooters next to me and used a .22—did the 44mag guy qualify?
The range was open for walk-in general shooting. The cannon shooter was not a CCW qual, he was just that guy you hate to be next to at the range.
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Twenty years ago, after the two day classroom sessions we went to a gravel pit and proceeded to punch holes in refrigerator boxes with 8.5X11 inch targets glued on. All you had to hit was the refrigerator box at 21 feet, 7 yards. One guy couldn’t hit his box.
 
When Virginia reformed its CCW statute to "shall issue" in the early 90's, I was one of the first who applied. Like you, Brian, Virginia applicants then had to "demonstrate competency" with their weapon. I showed up for the qualification session with a compact 1911 in .45ACP, the pistol I carried most often; as well as a Sig P226 in 9mm.

Since the qualification involved several timed draw-and-fire exercises, I debated using the larger, softer-recoiling Sig. In the end, though, when we had to fill out the form indicating our weapon... I decided to go with the 1911.

After collecting all the forms, the fellow running the class quickly scanned the pages. Frowning, he looked up. "Who is the guy with the .45ACP?"

I raised my hand and he nodded for me to come talk to him.

It took a minute to convince him that I was quite familiar with Condition One. And that I would be perfectly safe with a cocked-and-locked single-action pistol. Our class was divided into two sections and they asked me to go first.

I found the course absurdly easy. When I finished I was two points shy of a perfect score. I asked if I could go again with the second group to see if I could pick up those last two points, on a second go-round. They were happy to let me.

Congrats on the new CCW, Brian!
 
I'm in a "shall issue" state also.
But we don't have the classroom or qualification requirements.

Go to sheriffs office, fill out your paperwork with check for $25 and grab a chair while they run your background.
Good for 5 years.

I took a class on my own dime as i feel training only helps.

I also got a membership with USCCA for the incase i do need to draw my weapon.
 
Congrats on your CCW! I've been through the required training twice. Once in WV, and then after I moved to CO. None had an accuracy requirement. But some excellent legal advice provided and enough on self defense technique to be beneficial. But I've gone through hunter safety 4 times (2X in WV, twice in CO) and always enjoyed how they spent time with new shooters. Can't say I learned a lot new, but interesting to see the curriculum.
 
My state doesn't require a permit to carry. You can get a permit, though. This will be legal in other states. I've done many, many, many training classes on gunfighting and marksmanship. I recommend never resting on your laurels. Its an ongoing thing. There is always something new to learn. Be a student of the gun.
 
Nice work. Do you plan to use the .22 as a gun you may carry ?
I used the gun I carry for CCW qual. Ruger 38 LCR. It is blended into the black bench.

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I find it sort of ironic with all the New York bashing that goes on here (much of it rightfully deserved) that in the rural agricultural based upstate county I live in all the pistol permits are automatically concealed carry. There are exceptions I am sure but for the most part they are CCW. That is not true for the surrounding counties however. I didn't even realize this until I asked the girl at the county clerk's office. I guess if I have to live in NY I will take any bonus I can get.
 
Here in Texas you can get your license then carry whatever you want.... 8 hours of book and a min of 50 rounds.... They now have constitutional carry but if you keep your license you don't have to do background checks and you can travel to other states that recognize it....
 
My first CCW course was out on a farm. Class was mostly legal, if you need to depend yourself you will go to jail. I took a pistol in 7.62x25. The instructor made a great barbecue beef(sloppy Joe to some) lunch. No shooting score requirement, but you do shot 10 shots at a target. Still don't understand why 100$ to the sheriff when in Mn they couldn't even avoid issuing to ILLEGAL immigrants.
 
I took a course about 12 years ago. It had a lot of legal info. The second day we had to shoot printer paper on an indoor range. I decided to use my 629 with 44 Special hand loads. I didn’t think that I should use my competition limited 10 pistol. So I had to fire 6 rounds, then dump and load 4 more. I was the first one done and had a nice tight round group in the center of the paper. The instructor came down the line and stopped and looked at my target. He said, I was shooting too slow! I didn’t have the heart to tell him that I was the first one done. We ran the second paper down farther and repeated. This time he stood behind me. After I finished he said, Your a competition shooter aren’t you?
 
In the county I reside, you are required to qualify with each (up to max 5 ) weapons on your license, fired on a B27 or IPSIC target.

The course of fire is as follows:
Draw form concealment, fire 2 rounds at 7, 10, 15 yards in 5 seconds, each distance, two times.
Draw form concealment, fire 2 rounds 20 yards in 10 seconds, two times.

If you miss the target, you don't qualify with that firearm. You can return with the unqualified firearm and attempt to re-qualify in two weeks.

Currently on my CCW I have :

1911 Combat Commander .45
S&W M&P .40
S&W Shield 9mm
Colt Cobra .38 spl. (Circa late 50's)
Ruger LCP II .380.

I won't get into the fees, this is CA, and it's every two years, starting 120 days prior to CCW expiration.
 
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I took a course about 12 years ago. It had a lot of legal info. The second day we had to shoot printer paper on an indoor range. I decided to use my 629 with 44 Special hand loads. I didn’t think that I should use my competition limited 10 pistol. So I had to fire 6 rounds, then dump and load 4 more. I was the first one done and had a nice tight round group in the center of the paper. The instructor came down the line and stopped and looked at my target. He said, I was shooting too slow! I didn’t have the heart to tell him that I was the first one done. We ran the second paper down farther and repeated. This time he stood behind me. After I finished he said, Your a competition shooter aren’t you?
I am sure there are some legal issues to be learned at a class, but can also be learned reading. Classes are good for someone who has never been a shooter. But your experience with your instructor and shooting around instrutors is why I have zilch incentive to attend a class. They seem more impressed with being the instructor than with having good skills. I am sure there are exceptions, maybe lots, but NOT those I have encountered which includes some who are considered as experts and hired to advise and testify in trials for considerable amount of compensation.
 
Nice work. Do you plan to use the .22 as a gun you may carry ?
No sir! That was just to satisfy the county. I can carry concealed any handgun I choose. Decades ago this state made you qualify to CC a specific gun, but that was later abandoned.
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I don’t think you should have to pay for a permit or even have one, seems like an infringement. I think if you’re born here and not a felon, you shouldn’t have to ask for permission.
Call lawyer Paul Clement. He's looking for new clients just now.
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No sir! That was just to satisfy the county. I can carry concealed any handgun I choose. Decades ago this state made you qualify to CC a specific gun, but that was later abandoned.
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Hmm, your statement can be taken as; I am not proficient with the firearm I will carry and defend my life with, so I qualified with a .22 that I can shoot to satisfy the legal requirement.

Or, if you were proficient with your carry, why not qualify with it?
 

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