Long Dasher (6-6.5x47 Lapua AI) Questions

[Grimstod]

It's the 6x47 Swiss Match. That cartridge was/is based on 6x47 RUAG brass which I recall has a large primer pocket unlike the 6.5x47 Lapua. Before starting a new Long Dasher thread I left a question on your thread asking if you had completed your project. I was curious which way you went with getting a resizing die. So the question stands.

I answered it yesterday.

 

[Terry]

I think the objection is the miss use of the term Dasher. I for one find it disrespectful to the creators of the dasher.

6x47 AI is what it is. In its own right it is a good cartridge.

 

[dkhunt14]

Calling it that makes it confusing. There is already enough versions of the 6 BR case. Matt

 

[calgarycanada]

Well it looks like this thread took a sharp turn right from the start so I'll throw in another question, is it worth improving to gain 2 grains in capacity?

As for dies OP get WHIDDEN custom dies, I'm sure you'll be happy with them

 

[4xforfun]

If the object of this thread has turned to teminoligy.... Isn't the definition of an "improved" case as one that has a factory, (sami) spec cartridge fired in an improved chamber to create an improved cartridge? The dasher (based on the 6BR) by all definitions is a wildcat. So , to would the long dasher be considered a wildcat based off of the 6.5-47 case.

Just asking,
Tod

 

[dkhunt14]

If the object of this thread has turned to teminoligy.... Isn't the definition of an "improved" case as one that has a factory, (sami) spec cartridge fired in an improved chamber to create an improved cartridge? The dasher (based on the 6BR) by all definitions is a wildcat. So , to would the long dasher be considered a wildcat based off of the 6.5-47 case.

Just asking,
Tod

Yes Todd, you are correct but if not using the 6 BR case why call it a Dasher? The 6.5x47 case is a lot longer in the body. Technically it is a 6x47 Improved. Matt

 

[4xforfun]

I think that we should have a DASHER based on the 6 br, 6-6.5x47, 243, 7x55, and last, but not least, the 25-06. We can call them the Dasher, the Long Dasher, The Long Long Dasher, the Long Long Long Dasher, and last, but not least, the Long Long Long Long Dasher.

Everybody wins!!
Tod

 

[TRipley]

Well it looks like this thread took a sharp turn right from the start so I'll throw in another question, is it worth improving to gain 2 grains in capacity?

As for dies OP get WHIDDEN custom dies, I'm sure you'll be happy with them

Thanks! I appreciate the on topic post.

 

[tclaunch]

I waited on the new 6.5x47L brass when it was announced to be coming to USA. Darrel Jones had a buddy bought and flew him some of the new stuff before anyone else had it in this country. One of his best friends necked it down to 6mm, Mike Eschelman and he split the cost if i remember right and they called it "the long dasher". They both were avid 1000 yd shooters.

I do agree, this place is being troubled by a few here who choose to circumvent questions into bashing others ideas. I have left other sites from seeing this. Hope it starts slowing down here.

 

[TRipley]

I waited on the new 6.5x47L brass when it was announced to be coming to USA. Darrel Jones had a buddy bought and flew him some of the new stuff before anyone else had it in this country. One of his best friends necked it down to 6mm, Mike Eschelman and he split the cost if i remember right and they called it "the long dasher". They both were avid 1000 yd shooters.

I do agree, this place is being troubled by a few here who choose to circumvent questions into bashing others ideas. I have left other sites from seeing this. Hope it starts slowing down here.

Thanks for your response. And thank you for confirming the observations I have made. I appreciate the background info. I've completed a Long Dasher and am looking forward to some range time. I've been looking for specific info on what resizing dies others are using for this cartridge.

 

[Phil]

I spoke with the gentleman who built the first one, and coined the 6mm long dasher name.

He told me that it was because he took the neck / shoulder dimensions from a 6 dasher and dropped them on to a 6.5x47 lapua case, he was after a long 6 dasher case with more capacity.

Since the 6-6.5x47 lapua name was already circulating around he and Kiff dubbed it the long dasher, so there would`t be any confusion between the two.

I gave this cartridge a lot of consideration, but a .243 is right there in case capacity, and no forming hassles...if i wanted the 40 degree shoulder i`d just fire form it and be done, so i dropped it.

The small primer pocket could be reproduced in .243 or .243 AI with Palma brass, so that`s do-able as well....

Hope this helps,

Phil.

 

[SHootSTraight22]

I spoke with the gentleman who built the first one, and coined the 6mm long dasher name.

He told me that it was because he took the neck / shoulder dimensions from a 6 dasher and dropped them on to a 6.5x47 lapua case, he was after a long 6 dasher case with more capacity.

Since the 6-6.5x47 lapua name was already circulating around he and Kiff dubbed it the long dasher, so there would`t be any confusion between the two.

I gave this cartridge a lot of consideration, but a .243 is right there in case capacity, and no forming hassles...if i wanted the 40 degree shoulder i`d just fire form it and be done, so i dropped it.

The small primer pocket could be reproduced in .243 or .243 AI with Palma brass, so that`s do-able as well....

Hope this helps,

Phil.

That's how I looked at it.. The case is built just like a 6mmBR case just longer, so "Long Dasher" makes since.. I mean you call a 22 Long that for the same reason comparing it to a 22 Short..

 

[TRipley]

I spoke with the gentleman who built the first one, and coined the 6mm long dasher name.

He told me that it was because he took the neck / shoulder dimensions from a 6 dasher and dropped them on to a 6.5x47 lapua case, he was after a long 6 dasher case with more capacity.

Since the 6-6.5x47 lapua name was already circulating around he and Kiff dubbed it the long dasher, so there would`t be any confusion between the two.

I gave this cartridge a lot of consideration, but a .243 is right there in case capacity, and no forming hassles...if i wanted the 40 degree shoulder i`d just fire form it and be done, so i dropped it.

The small primer pocket could be reproduced in .243 or .243 AI with Palma brass, so that`s do-able as well....

Hope this helps,

Phil.

Thanks Phil for the additional background on the Long Dasher. I originally planned on building a Dasher but then discovered the Long Dasher, and as it's name implies, duplicates the Dasher dimensions from the body wall/shoulder junction up. Using the 6.5x47 Lapua parent case, water capacity is increased by 6 grains (more or less) over the Dasher. That translates into as much as 200 fps. Some will argue that increase is insignificant given the inherent accuracy and proven track record of the Dasher. But, its not just the extra fps that led me in that direction. It's darn hard on Dasher brass to push 105 (or heavier) grain bullets 3k+ fps. Extra case capacity can insure reduced pressure to achieve the same velocity as a smaller capacity case - all other things being equal. As for the .243AI, I never could justify the barrel burning characteristic to achieve 3,300 fps with 105 grain bullets. The case capacity of the .243AI in grains of water is approximately 10 more than the Long Dasher and that gets you maybe 100 fps more velocity. Kind of inefficient by comparison. Interesting point though on the small primer Palma .308 brass. I was not aware of it's existence.

 

[Phil]

Have you looked at the 6SLR????

It's a .243 with the shoulder pushed back, giving you a longer neck and slightly less case capacity.

The long dasher is around 47-48 grs.

The .243 is around 52-53 grs.

The SLR should split hairs in capacity between the two .

Lots of people like thier 6SLR's, i don't have one so i can't comment on it, just what I've heard about them.

Phil.

 

[Phil]

6 XC could be a consideration too......no case forming with that one.

Phil.

 

[TRipley]

Have you looked at the 6SLR????

It's a .243 with the shoulder pushed back, giving you a longer neck and slightly less case capacity.

The long dasher is around 47-48 grs.

The .243 is around 52-53 grs.

The SLR should split hairs in capacity between the two .

Lots of people like thier 6SLR's, i don't have one so i can't comment on it, just what I've heard about them.

Phil.

Phil, the .243AI is 57-58 grs. however the standard .243 is 52-53 grs. I have not researched the 6SLR but did consider the 6XC. The XC holds about 50 grs of water and Tubb had his 115 grain bullets in mind. We produce our own 105 grain match bullets on 1.15" jackets so that's what I had in mind when I settled on the Long Dasher. In retrospect, I would have saved myself a lot of grief going with the Dasher or 6XC based on the fact that resizing dies are readily available. And... that brings me full circle to the reason I posted this thread in the first place. I was trying to see if there were others on this board that compete with Long Dashers and would comment on the resizing dies they are using. From the early responses on this thread you would never know that I asked a question about dies - not for a discussion about the Dasher.

 

[Phil]

Phil, the .243AI is 57-58 grs. however the standard .243 is 52-53 grs. I have not researched the 6SLR but did consider the 6XC. The XC holds about 50 grs of water and Tubb had his 115 grain bullets in mind. We produce our own 105 grain match bullets on 1.15" jackets so that's what I had in mind when I settled on the Long Dasher. In retrospect, I would have saved myself a lot of grief going with the Dasher or 6XC based on the fact that resizing dies are readily available. And... that brings me full circle to the reason I posted this thread in the first place. I was trying to see if there were others on this board that compete with Long Dashers and would comment on the resizing dies they are using. From the early responses on this thread you would never know that I asked a question about dies - not for a discussion about the Dasher.

Do you own the reamer for the long dasher????

A wilson die blank, cut with your reamer, will take care of the seating chores.

Whidden makes nice dies, he can work off of a print, or even better fired brass.

This is what i`d do if i was in your shoes.

Good luck with your decision,

Phil.

 

[TRipley]

Do you own the reamer for the long dasher????

A wilson die blank, cut with your reamer, will take care of the seating chores.

Whidden makes nice dies, he can work off of a print, or even better fired brass.

This is what i`d do if i was in your shoes.

Good luck with your decision,

Phil.

Yes, I own my reamer and have built the rifle. I sent fired cases to Neil Jones recently and placed an order for a second reamer that is basically .0035" off body dimensions for resizing. Will see which happens first - making my own die or getting a die from Neil. Ultimately, I want one of Neil's dies anyway so I look forward to receiving it when it comes. Didn't necessarily want to wait for either of these solutions but, haven't found any other off the shelf solutions. I am aware of Whidden dies. Had some made up for a 6x47 Remington.

 

[Phil]

Yes, I own my reamer and have built the rifle. I sent fired cases to Neil Jones recently and placed an order for a second reamer that is basically .0035" off body dimensions for resizing. Will see which happens first - making my own die or getting a die from Neil. Ultimately, I want one of Neil's dies anyway so I look forward to receiving it when it comes. Didn't necessarily want to wait for either of these solutions but, haven't found any other off the shelf solutions. I am aware of Whidden dies. Had some made up for a 6x47 Remington.

I have 2 of Neil`s 6 Dasher die sets, very nice stuff......

Sounds like you are on the right track,

Phil.

 

[TRipley]

I have 2 of Neil`s 6 Dasher die sets, very nice stuff......

Sounds like you are on the right track,

Phil.

Yeah, Neil does a great job and his dies are reasonably priced. Are you familiar with Alan Warner's resizing dies? http://www.warner-tool.com/#!reloading-dies/c1w4a Nice work.