Local Gunstore Inventory Discussion

[457ciSBC]

There’s always solutions suggested when someone else‘s money is to be risked for capital investment.

 

[montana_native]

I live in the same town as you. Which LGS do you think is in trouble? IF you could get this done HOW would the product be distributed to those you think need it? How do you know where the primers are going? One of the stores here had primers a couple weeks ago and Sportsmans in BZN had primers last Friday so some are being shipped.

That Sportsman's Warehouse sold over 100,000 primers in one day. The Scheels in Billings had 250,000 primers show Monday. I had friends from Cody, WY making the drive after work to get their 1000. They're being produced and are available....you just need to be fast, drop everything and get them.

 

[miningshawn]

In the aerospace game we used the concept of “manufacturing days”. Weekend days were not included as those were used to “catch up on the schedule.

there were about 260 of these days per year. So, if reloaders are 5% of the market you can cover that market by working in an extra 12 days. Voluntary overtime can cover that. Since we pay a “premium” for primers already, it is lost in the price.

but I also think that the reloading market is bigger than that.

Exactly. But how to make it happen? I would pay a very stiff premium for components (not CTD or GB) at my local LGS. How can we as a demographic steer or divert product?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Looks like Creepy Joe has went back on his word to give the $2000 stimulus check to flyover country. This may help slow down the panic buying.

 

[K22]

This may be the new normal - shortages and not just shooting related.

Try to remain calm and don't panic. Take one day at time - get the most out of that day - don't dwell on the "what if" scenarios of the future - most of them never come true.

When it comes to shooting - try to get the most out of each shot - you don't need to shoot a ton of ammo to hone your skills or even have fun during a range session. Measure and track your performance and focus on making each shot count.

 

[riflewoman]

Well, we could go to S&B or Magtech and ask what 50,000,000 primers shipped to the USA would cost. Then obtain a permit from ATF and State to import them.

if they were to ultimately cost $150 per 5000, that only $1.5 million. We could probably do that. Hell Reddit took down a hedge fund or two.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Not this shit again. Let's keep it to one thread that enumerates all the beefs people have with component providers.

Forum boss and/or admin need to merge all these threads.

 

[Just Say Moe]

Well, we could go to S&B or Magtech and ask what 50,000,000 primers shipped to the USA would cost. Then obtain a permit from ATF and State to import them.

if they were to ultimately cost $150 per 5000, that only $1.5 million. We could probably do that. Hell Reddit took down a hedge fund or two.

The current Politburo would never approve the importation.

 

[miningshawn]

Not this shit again. Let's keep it to one thread that enumerates all the beefs people have with component providers.

Not a beef. I am actually collecting ideas to see if there is a way to convince manufacturers to support LGS vendors and still satisfy volume. I personally would pay quite a bit more for primers and powder and brass and so forth at my LGS. What price point makes that balance, and how can we affect distribution?

Instead of just bitching about it.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

You will see more executive orders and regulations tied to coming "stimulus bills" that will make gun ownership inconvenient,expensive. Same is coming for petroleum powered vehicles, homeowners, utility's. As the first amendment is eroded and stifled, the democrat government(all levels) will increase the message that conformity and collective are for the common good. If this sounds like China, Russia or Venezuela, well you know than who is pulling Bernie and the squads strings. Most of the new cabinet and advisors are circa Obama, what happen then will be rebuilt and STRENGTHED. Look how many believed that a piece(or 2) of cloth covering their face would stop a 80-100 nanometer sized virus.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Not a beef. I am actually collecting ideas to see if there is a way to convince manufacturers to support LGS vendors and still satisfy volume. I personally would pay quite a bit more for primers and powder and brass and so forth at my LGS. What price point makes that balance, and how can we affect distribution?

Instead of just bitching about it.

These threads are all devolving into the same old topic. That topic being that people are mad as hell that their needs are not being met. I'm stunned by the number of people making collectivist arguments and joining the cult of victimhood.

 

[riflewoman]

if you went to a foreign supplier and imported 500,000,000 primers for distribution, either the domestic suppliers would welcome the relief or they’d try to shut it down by releasing primers. There are about 4 billion rounds of centerfire sold in the US. If the reloading market is 5% as has been suggested, then you could cover this by importing 200 million primers. And based on the shipping sleeve for Winchester, that would “fill” about 25-30 shipping containers.

 

[Dave in WI]

Maybe it's time to work on the dry firing that I never seem to have time to do....

 

[jackson1]

With any luck this to shall pass.

 

[pirate ammo]

Must be only in certain locales. The three LGS I shop are doing a land office business in handguns and ARs. Of the three, two require appointments and have ammo, powder and bullets. NICS are at 4.3 million for January, highest on record for a single month. I don't see my LGSs going out of business anytime soon.

FBI's January gun background check statistics show people buying firearms at 'blistering pace,' expert says

The FBI conducted more than 4.3 million gun background checks in January 2021 – the highest number of checks completed during a single month in the agency’s recorded history – as one expert says the staggering figure indicates a "growing" demand for firearms from the American public.

www.foxnews.com

Yours might not and that's good for them, I haven't received a single primer from any of my wholesale
people for three months. Hell, they won't even let me know if they have any, and don't tell me to change
people it don't work.

 

[Fast14riot]

Hmm, since Bezos is free now, we should hit him up for a new factory...

 

[miningshawn]

These threads are all devolving into the same old topic. That topic being that people are mad as hell that their needs are not being met. I'm stunned by the number of people making collectivist arguments and

These threads are all devolving into the same old topic. That topic being that people are mad as hell that their needs are not being met. I'm stunned by the number of people making collectivist arguments and joining the cult of victimhood.

And you sound like your taking your own medicine. Way to be proactive there Rambo.

Has anyone sat down and written out a statement to the any of the manufacturers that explains the specific problem? These are public companies with typical MBA's at the helm. They need to have it put into their own language.

- Has anyone performed a cost\benefit analysis of providing components only?
- What ratio would satisfy or reduce the demand curve?
- Has anyone performed a profit\ratio study to determine what the market would bear in a cost analysis?
- Is it sustainable?
- Can capacity be created in manufacturing?
- Is there achievable goodwill and community standing in publicly acknowledging and addressing shortfalls?
- Is there an equitable return on investment by promoting competitive shooting sports? Will new shooters be apt to become "volume" shooters if there is availability to use their "shiny new toys"?
- How much "marketability" is lost by not addressing shortfalls? Will our traditional customers poorly review emerging products unfavorably from spite? Are new or improved products going to be ignored. If you need evidence of this just ask Remington, or Bushmaster, or Winchester, or...

These companies may not have addressed these issues because they are not aware of secondary markets (That just happen to be PRIMARY MARKETS to a portion of their customers). They are just trying to keep their heads above water and their board of directors is trying to take profit as quickly as possible before the bubble bursts. It doesn't have to burst. There is a sustainable path forward.

Fair analysis is necessary to determine that new path forward. I cannot look at the company's books or make a guess at what they have determined or where they plan to capitalize in the future. CEO's make the case to the board. They are too busy to think about us unless we notify them. They can't make a sales package to the board and investors without defining the problem and a potential solution.

The current scenario is not pretty. Many shooting sports are going to be adversely affected by shortages. Standards and rules will need to be altered to make the sport accessible - the days of 250+ round matches are dwindling. I would like to see sustainable competitive shooting - it ain't going to happen at benchrest, PRS, FPS, F-class, or many other disciplines with factory ammo.

What I can do is try to send a politely worded and succinct memo and suggestions instead of a rant.

Kind of like you...

 

[Bc'z]

Talking with another member today on the phone, I believe we're both gonna blow the dust off our archery gear.
Thinking about selling 2 out of 3 press's and stock of powder n primer

 

[hogpatrol]

Yours might not and that's good for them, I haven't received a single primer from any of my wholesale
people for three months. Hell, they won't even let me know if they have any, and don't tell me to change
people it don't work.

Dan, No primers anywhere but dribs and drabs of ammo, powder and bullets.

 

[RKS]

Talking with another member today on the phone, I believe we're both gonna blow the dust off our archery gear.
Thinking about selling 2 out of 3 press's and stock of powder n primer

I wouldn't get rid of the powder and primers. They should never lose their value and there will always be a market for them. Better than currency if you keep them stored properly.

Unless you want to use the money to buy stock in the powder, primer, and bullet manufacturing companies. That would be a wise investment.