Leupold Varmint Hunter reticle subtensions at full power?

[gzig5]

Has anyone mapped out the substention in MOA of the VH reticle on a 6.5-20 VX3 when set to full power? I found the table they publish but that is with setting of 15x/16x on for the "small bullet". I leave mine at 20x and would like to be able to quickly use the drop table I've worked up with the corresponding elevation tick.
I was going to put a graduated scale/target up at 100 and 200 yards to map it out but I didn't get it done and I will be leaving tomorrow morning, so times run out. The table they give is usable, but not optimal. I'm zeroed at 200yds with a 222rem shooting 50gr Zmax at 3250fps. The 100yd increment drops seem to jibe pretty well with the Leoupold table but if I can I'd like to run it at 20x. The dogs are rarely sitting at 100 yd increments, I would really like to know what the MOA for the 300/400/500 ticks are to get a true elevation reference at 20x.

 

[snert]

I feel your pain...but can reassure you. Fire one, fire 2, fire three and then for full effect....

 

[gzig5]

I feel your pain...but can reassure you. Fire one, fire 2, fire three and then for full effect....

Yeah, I will get the hang of it by trial and error, but would like to minimize that as much as I can. I'm running for different rifles with different scopes so I'll probably end up confusing myself doing conversions if it isn't close to point and shoot.

 

[Tommie]

Watching

 

[Rick in Oregon]

I run what could be called a hybrid version using the VHR.

I have the Leupold M1 elevation turret factory installed on all my primary rat rifles that have the VX3 6.5-20X LR scope. I'm a 'dialer', so in the rat patch, it's locate the target and range it, consult the come-up chart in the ocular scope cover, make the needed adjustment in the turret, hold dead-on, allow for wind hold-off and.....shoot.

It works very, very well, but when the shooting is really hot and I'm shooting an area full of targets, no need to dial for each shot, just use the VHR for those shots that require little adjustment. The wind 'ticks' in that reticle are also very nice to have and work well also.

My Sako M75 Varmint 204 with a dual chart for the 32gr and 39gr SBK. All data is in MOA that translates perfectly to the turret hash marks.



Different rifle/caliber, same drill:



Edit: I'll clarify that I make my come-up charts using Sierra Infinity 6 and make each one specific to the actual chrono'd load data, bullet BC and corrected for the usual elevation and environmental conditions I find there at the time of year I shoot there. Not complicated and has been completely spot-on in all the years I've been doing this.

 

[alf]

You need to go to JBM, and put in your particulars to get your exact drops, then make a cheat sheet to show your actual yardages that the lines corresponds to.

JBM - Calculations - Trajectory (Simplified)

www.jbmballistics.com

 

[chuckshooter]

It's been a while since I did this but, the easiest way is to hang a tape measure at 100 yds. I still use strelok and it gives sub tension distances for any power setting for the cartridge chosen.

 

[alf]

With your info with a 100 zero, on 20X,

The 1st line is 1.81 MOA down, which is 230 yards
2nd line is 4.13 MOA, which is on at 325 yards
3rd line is 7.02 MOA, which is on at 420 yards
Last half line is 9.35 MOA, which is 480 yards

 

[alf]

Input Data Ballistic Coefficient: 0.242 G1 Caliber: 0.224 in Bullet Weight: 50.0 gr Muzzle Velocity: 3250.0 ft/s Sight Height: 1.75 in Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Target Speed: 10.0 mph Temperature: 79.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg Humidity: 79 % Altitude: 0.0 ft Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA Round Output to Whole Numbers: No Output Data Elevation: 3.386 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA Atmospheric Density: 0.07290 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1137.8 ft/s Maximum PBR: 352 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 303 yd Range of Maximum Height: 174 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 439.2 ft•lbs Sectional Density: 0.142 lb/in² Calculated Table Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead (yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA) 100 -0.0 -0.0 1.1 1.0 2853.4 2.508 903.8 0.099 17.3 16.6 105 -0.0 -0.0 1.2 1.1 2834.5 2.491 891.8 0.104 18.3 16.6 110 -0.0 -0.0 1.3 1.2 2815.6 2.475 880.0 0.109 19.2 16.7 115 -0.1 -0.1 1.5 1.2 2796.9 2.458 868.3 0.114 20.1 16.7 120 -0.1 -0.1 1.6 1.3 2778.2 2.442 856.8 0.120 21.1 16.8 125 -0.2 -0.1 1.7 1.3 2759.6 2.425 845.3 0.125 22.0 16.8 130 -0.3 -0.2 1.9 1.4 2741.1 2.409 834.0 0.131 23.0 16.9 135 -0.3 -0.2 2.0 1.4 2722.6 2.393 822.8 0.136 24.0 17.0 140 -0.4 -0.3 2.2 1.5 2704.2 2.377 811.8 0.142 24.9 17.0 145 -0.5 -0.4 2.4 1.6 2686.0 2.361 800.8 0.147 25.9 17.1 150 -0.7 -0.4 2.5 1.6 2667.7 2.345 790.0 0.153 26.9 17.1 155 -0.8 -0.5 2.7 1.7 2649.6 2.329 779.3 0.159 27.9 17.2 160 -0.9 -0.6 2.9 1.7 2631.5 2.313 768.7 0.164 28.9 17.3 165 -1.1 -0.6 3.1 1.8 2613.5 2.297 758.2 0.170 29.9 17.3 170 -1.3 -0.7 3.3 1.9 2595.6 2.281 747.8 0.176 30.9 17.4 175 -1.4 -0.8 3.5 1.9 2577.7 2.265 737.6 0.182 31.9 17.4 180 -1.6 -0.9 3.7 2.0 2559.9 2.250 727.4 0.187 33.0 17.5 185 -1.8 -1.0 4.0 2.0 2542.2 2.234 717.4 0.193 34.0 17.6 190 -2.1 -1.0 4.2 2.1 2524.5 2.219 707.4 0.199 35.1 17.6 195 -2.3 -1.1 4.4 2.2 2506.9 2.203 697.6 0.205 36.1 17.7 200 -2.5 -1.2 4.7 2.2 2489.4 2.188 687.9 0.211 37.2 17.7 205 -2.8 -1.3 4.9 2.3 2472.0 2.173 678.3 0.217 38.2 17.8 210 -3.1 -1.4 5.2 2.4 2454.6 2.157 668.8 0.223 39.3 17.9 215 -3.4 -1.5 5.4 2.4 2437.3 2.142 659.4 0.229 40.4 17.9 220 -3.7 -1.6 5.7 2.5 2420.0 2.127 650.1 0.236 41.5 18.0 225 -4.0 -1.7 6.0 2.5 2402.9 2.112 640.9 0.242 42.6 18.1 230 -4.3 -1.8 6.3 2.6 2385.8 2.097 631.8 0.248 43.7 18.1 235 -4.7 -1.9 6.6 2.7 2368.7 2.082 622.8 0.254 44.8 18.2 240 -5.1 -2.0 6.9 2.7 2351.7 2.067 613.9 0.261 45.9 18.3 245 -5.4 -2.1 7.2 2.8 2334.8 2.052 605.1 0.267 47.0 18.3 250 -5.8 -2.2 7.5 2.9 2318.0 2.037 596.4 0.274 48.1 18.4 255 -6.3 -2.3 7.9 2.9 2301.2 2.022 587.8 0.280 49.3 18.5 260 -6.7 -2.5 8.2 3.0 2284.5 2.008 579.3 0.287 50.4 18.5 265 -7.1 -2.6 8.5 3.1 2267.9 1.993 570.9 0.293 51.6 18.6 270 -7.6 -2.7 8.9 3.1 2251.3 1.979 562.6 0.300 52.8 18.7 275 -8.1 -2.8 9.3 3.2 2234.8 1.964 554.4 0.307 53.9 18.7 280 -8.6 -2.9 9.6 3.3 2218.3 1.950 546.3 0.313 55.1 18.8 285 -9.1 -3.0 10.0 3.4 2202.0 1.935 538.2 0.320 56.3 18.9 290 -9.6 -3.2 10.4 3.4 2185.7 1.921 530.3 0.327 57.5 18.9 295 -10.2 -3.3 10.8 3.5 2169.4 1.907 522.4 0.334 58.7 19.0 300 -10.7 -3.4 11.2 3.6 2153.3 1.892 514.7 0.341 60.0 19.1 305 -11.3 -3.5 11.6 3.6 2137.1 1.878 507.0 0.348 61.2 19.2 310 -11.9 -3.7 12.1 3.7 2121.1 1.864 499.4 0.355 62.4 19.2 315 -12.6 -3.8 12.5 3.8 2105.2 1.850 491.9 0.362 63.7 19.3 320 -13.2 -3.9 13.0 3.9 2089.3 1.836 484.5 0.369 64.9 19.4 325 -13.9 -4.1 13.4 3.9 2073.4 1.822 477.2 0.376 66.2 19.5 330 -14.6 -4.2 13.9 4.0 2057.7 1.808 470.0 0.383 67.5 19.5 335 -15.3 -4.4 14.4 4.1 2042.0 1.795 462.9 0.391 68.8 19.6 340 -16.0 -4.5 14.8 4.2 2026.4 1.781 455.8 0.398 70.1 19.7 345 -16.8 -4.6 15.3 4.2 2010.9 1.767 448.9 0.406 71.4 19.8 350 -17.5 -4.8 15.8 4.3 1995.4 1.754 442.0 0.413 72.7 19.8 355 -18.3 -4.9 16.4 4.4 1980.0 1.740 435.2 0.421 74.0 19.9 360 -19.1 -5.1 16.9 4.5 1964.7 1.727 428.5 0.428 75.4 20.0 365 -20.0 -5.2 17.4 4.6 1949.5 1.713 421.9 0.436 76.7 20.1 370 -20.8 -5.4 18.0 4.6 1934.3 1.700 415.3 0.444 78.1 20.2 375 -21.7 -5.5 18.5 4.7 1919.2 1.687 408.9 0.451 79.4 20.2 380 -22.6 -5.7 19.1 4.8 1904.2 1.674 402.5 0.459 80.8 20.3 385 -23.6 -5.8 19.7 4.9 1889.3 1.660 396.2 0.467 82.2 20.4 390 -24.5 -6.0 20.3 5.0 1874.4 1.647 390.0 0.475 83.6 20.5 395 -25.5 -6.2 20.9 5.0 1859.6 1.634 383.9 0.483 85.0 20.6 400 -26.5 -6.3 21.5 5.1 1844.9 1.621 377.8 0.491 86.5 20.6 405 -27.5 -6.5 22.1 5.2 1830.3 1.609 371.9 0.499 87.9 20.7 410 -28.6 -6.7 22.7 5.3 1815.8 1.596 366.0 0.508 89.3 20.8 415 -29.7 -6.8 23.4 5.4 1801.3 1.583 360.2 0.516 90.8 20.9 420 -30.8 -7.0 24.0 5.5 1787.0 1.571 354.5 0.524 92.3 21.0 425 -31.9 -7.2 24.7 5.6 1772.7 1.558 348.8 0.533 93.8 21.1 430 -33.1 -7.4 25.4 5.6 1758.5 1.545 343.3 0.541 95.3 21.2 435 -34.3 -7.5 26.1 5.7 1744.4 1.533 337.8 0.550 96.8 21.2 440 -35.5 -7.7 26.8 5.8 1730.4 1.521 332.4 0.558 98.3 21.3 445 -36.8 -7.9 27.5 5.9 1716.4 1.509 327.0 0.567 99.8 21.4 450 -38.0 -8.1 28.3 6.0 1702.6 1.496 321.8 0.576 101.4 21.5 455 -39.4 -8.3 29.0 6.1 1688.8 1.484 316.6 0.585 102.9 21.6 460 -40.7 -8.4 29.8 6.2 1675.2 1.472 311.5 0.594 104.5 21.7 465 -42.1 -8.6 30.5 6.3 1661.6 1.460 306.5 0.603 106.1 21.8 470 -43.5 -8.8 31.3 6.4 1648.2 1.449 301.5 0.612 107.7 21.9 475 -44.9 -9.0 32.1 6.5 1634.8 1.437 296.7 0.621 109.3 22.0 480 -46.4 -9.2 32.9 6.5 1621.5 1.425 291.9 0.630 110.9 22.1 485 -47.9 -9.4 33.7 6.6 1608.4 1.414 287.1 0.639 112.5 22.2 490 -49.4 -9.6 34.6 6.7 1595.3 1.402 282.5 0.649 114.2 22.3 495 -51.0 -9.8 35.4 6.8 1582.3 1.391 277.9 0.658 115.8 22.3 500 -52.6 -10.0 36.3 6.9 1569.5 1.379 273.4 0.668 117.5 22.4

 

[chuckshooter]

i just ran the numbers for 200 yd zero 1st line is 272, 2nd line is 350, 3rd line is 430 and the last line is 487. but depends on temp. and altitude and scope height.

 

[Tommie]

With your info with a 100 zero, on 20X,

The 1st line is 1.81 MOA down, which is 230 yards
2nd line is 4.13 MOA, which is on at 325 yards
3rd line is 7.02 MOA, which is on at 420 yards
Last half line is 9.35 MOA, which is 480 yards

Man this is GOLD. Thanks!!!

 

[gzig5]

With your info with a 100 zero, on 20X,

The 1st line is 1.81 MOA down, which is 230 yards
2nd line is 4.13 MOA, which is on at 325 yards
3rd line is 7.02 MOA, which is on at 420 yards
Last half line is 9.35 MOA, which is 480 yards

I've run the JBM data for my load out to 600 yards and have that. Made sure to put in the measured scope height because that can make a difference. I have a solid 200yd zero for the main cross bar.

alf,
I don't think that is correct for 20x but is for 15x? The large bullet drop diamond on the power selector ring is at ~15x and those numbers in the table are only valid for that power level. Because it is a second focal plane scope, when you crank the power, the MOA between the lines change.

 

[gzig5]

i just ran the numbers for 200 yd zero 1st line is 272, 2nd line is 350, 3rd line is 430 and the last line is 487. but depends on temp. and altitude and scope height.

So those numbers are for my 50gr/3250fps load? How did you determine the MOA of the graduations at 20x? If you used the MOA given for the VX6-HD illuminated version of the reticle, that won't work for me. It has one additional graduation and as far as I know, the MOA between each is not the same for the VX3 version.

This is what they have on their website and I don't think it is correct for mine. Mine looks like the picture alf has in his posting.

 

[alf]

alf,
I don't think that is correct for 20x but is for 15x? The large bullet drop diamond on the power selector ring is at ~15x and those numbers in the table are only valid for that power level. Because it is a second focal plane scope, when you crank the power, the MOA between the lines change.

I'm not sure, I just sold my 1 & only 20x VHR, all I have left are 4.5-14's, which have the large diamond on full power.

Best way to check is to measure off 100 yards, & use a yardstick to measure the lines on 20X, & figure your drops from there.

If your reticle has an extra line, that was the Long Range VHR that was short lived. The guy I just I talked to at Leupold had never heard of it before, made it sound like I was making it up.

 

[chuckshooter]

So those numbers are for my 50gr/3250fps load? How did you determine the MOA of the graduations at 20x? If you used the MOA given for the VX6-HD illuminated version of the reticle, that won't work for me. It has one additional graduation and as far as I know, the MOA between each is not the same for the VX3 version.

This is what they have on their website and I don't think it is correct for mine. Mine looks like the picture alf has in his posting.

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I didn't calculate the moa, just giving distances shown on strelok

 

[alf]

The last couple of years I've transitioned to FFP & MRAD for my prairie dog rigs so I can run on any power and use my same holds, plus have more aiming points when stretching things out.

Depending on exact cartridge & load, each half mil is in 50 yard increments with a 200 zero.

 

[chuckshooter]

If your reticle has an extra line, that was the Long Range VHR that was short lived. The guy I just I talked to at Leupold had never heard of it before, made it sound like I was making it up.

I've seen the extra line in one of mine, probably an older model. I've learned something new.

 

[alf]

I don't remember them being illuminated, but a quick google search shows them as such:

LR Varmint Hunter™ Illum. Reticle | Leupold

<ul> <li>Builds off the German #4 reticle design</li> <li>Center point can be a 200 or 300 yard zero (ammunition dependent)</li> <li>The power selector ring is used to adjust the reticle spacing for a vast number or cartridges</li> <li>Provides aiming points out to 600 or 700 yards (ammunition...

www.leupold.com

 

[Just Say Moe]

I use Chairgun Elite reticle analysis feature. It will adjust the yardages when you change the scope power input. Spot on with my 223 shooting VMaxes. This is on prairie dogs where my phone is handy and not for big game hunting.

 

[Hotshot]

I usually don't use 20X in the prairie dog towns.
222 is a poor choice for dog shooting at distance over 300 yards.