Lapua ammo 22LR

[LuvDog]

So how do you ship ammo that you sell?

You can ship ammo. Just print a “Limited Quantities”. It used to be called a ORM-D sticker.

 

[COLT45SA]

Since, based on you’re previous posting, you shoot no precision RF of any type so you gamble zero.
Seems you post on these threads to essentially be a PIA.

Sorry you feel that way, but there's nobody forcing you to read anything that I post. If you continue to read my posts you are only causing your own pain. Very masochistic.
It sounds to me like anyone who competes against himself for personal satisfaction doesn't qualify as a competitive shooter. If that's you opinion, so be it. I too read posts that I don't agree with, but I certainly don't let them cause me any pain~!!!

 

[Jayplace]

Sorry you feel that way, but there's nobody forcing you to read anything that I post. If you continue to read my posts you are only causing your own pain. Very masochistic.
It sounds to me like anyone who competes against himself for personal satisfaction doesn't qualify as a competitive shooter. If that's you opinion, so be it. I too read posts that I don't agree with, but I certainly don't let them cause me any pain~!!!

Try to disregard some of the negative comments that say nothing important and offer no helpful assistance. I know, it's not easy.

The more competition matches you can attend, the better your chances are of finding reasonable quantities of what you're looking for. If you're ready to buy, try placing an ad in the WANTED/FOR SALE section of the FORUM.

Most shooter are in the same boat as you've described currently. Most shooters don't buy cases of ammunition. Most shooters don't or can't go where there is a testing facility, even though many of us would like too.

Unless you shoot a lot, and I mean a lot, there is the risk of match ammunition going bad when buying in case quantity. When I say bad, I don't mean it won't fire, but the wax coating on the bullet can deteriorate reducing accuracy. I learned this when I was shooting quite a bit and stopped shooting for a number of years and the wax started drying and turned gray. Midas said it was still ok, but didn't recommend it for precision shooting.
Good luck

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Try to disregard some of the negative comments that say nothing important and offer no helpful assistance. I know, it's not easy.

The more competition matches you can attend, the better your chances are of finding reasonable quantities of what you're looking for. If you're ready to buy, try placing an ad in the WANTED/FOR SALE section of the FORUM.

Most shooter are in the same boat as you've described currently. Most shooters don't buy cases of ammunition. Most shooters don't or can't go where there is a testing facility, even though many of us would like too.

Unless you shoot a lot, and I mean a lot, there is the risk of match ammunition going bad when buying in case quantity. When I say bad, I don't mean it won't fire, but the wax coating on the bullet can deteriorate reducing accuracy. I learned this when I was shooting quite a bit and stopped shooting for a number of years and the wax started drying and turned gray. Midas said it was still ok, but didn't recommend it for precision shooting.
Good luck

If stored improperly ammo can go bad. I have some lots from 2016, and it still shoots like it did when I got from the Mesa center.
If you have Midas that has wax for a lube, I would be curious as to how old it is. as far as I know their lube is petroleum based. I have some old Lapua Master M from 2010 and though not as wet as current Lapua it feels like the same oily lube.

Lee

 

[gkgeiger]

Try to disregard some of the negative comments that say nothing important and offer no helpful assistance. I know, it's not easy.

I solved the problem, I have two people on my ignore list.

 

[Jayplace]

If stored improperly ammo can go bad. I have some lots from 2016, and it still shoots like it did when I got from the Mesa center.
If you have Midas that has wax for a lube, I would be curious as to how old it is. as far as I know their lube is petroleum based. I have some old Lapua Master M from 2010 and though not as wet as current Lapua it feels like the same oily lube.

Lee

The Lapua that I had was Midas L, which is prior to yours. However, I think you'll find Lapua will refer to the coating as wax, it could be a blend of sorts. They may very well use different coatings for the different .22 ammunitions. If the lubricant is petroleum based, it deteriorates over time. If you've looked at motor oil, it is coded, showing dated and manufacturing information. Mobil 1 for example has a recommended shelf life of 5 years.

Midas put out a guideline on cleaning and suggested not to over-clean the barrel of a .22 because it removes the residual wax. Wax is the word they used. The information was what they had accumulated over the years from various sources and shooters.

To be honest, I don't know.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

The Lapua that I had was Midas L, which is prior to yours. However, I think you'll find Lapua will refer to the coating as wax, it could be a blend of sorts. They may very well use different coatings for the different .22 ammunitions. If the lubricant is petroleum based, it deteriorates over time. If you've looked at motor oil, it is coded, showing dated and manufacturing information. Mobil 1 for example has a recommended shelf life of 5 years.

Midas put out a guideline on cleaning and suggested not to over-clean the barrel of a .22 because it removes the residual wax. Wax is the word they used. The information was what they had accumulated over the years from various sources and shooters.

To be honest, I don't know.

When I think of wax such as Eley's lube which I believe itis a combination of tallow and bee's wax. it was always harder especially when temperatures were colder. warmer/hotter temperatures it wasn't too messy. but Lapua's lube even during cooler/colder temperatures didn't change all that much. if anything, cooler/colder made it stickier. warmer temperatures better have a towel to wipe your fingers on.

when you say Midas put out a guide are you referring to Lapua? I didn't know they provided information on cleaning barrels. that's very interesting, could you provide the link. I pretty much been shooting Lapua exclusively since 2012-2013 and never heard of them provided a barrel cleaning guide.

Lee

 

[doclu60]

I don't know who Jayplace is, but I know Lee (Hi-NV Shooter) and Lee is correct. SK and Lapua is lubricated with petroleum distillate and Eley is beeswax and tallow. My information on the Lapua came directly from the tunnel tech when I first tested in Mesa in 2015. Older Lapua did have wax based lube. I had some new old stock several years ago and the lube was definitely wax based, but not anymore. Some posters on forums don't know what they don't know, including cleaning procedures that accomplished (read winning) RFBR shooters use. JME, not an opinion.

Scott

 

[Jayplace]

When I think of wax such as Eley's lube which I believe itis a combination of tallow and bee's wax. it was always harder especially when temperatures were colder. warmer/hotter temperatures it wasn't too messy. but Lapua's lube even during cooler/colder temperatures didn't change all that much. if anything, cooler/colder made it stickier. warmer temperatures better have a towel to wipe your fingers on.

when you say Midas put out a guide are you referring to Lapua? I didn't know they provided information on cleaning barrels. that's very interesting, could you provide the link. I pretty much been shooting Lapua exclusively since 2012-2013 and never heard of them provided a barrel cleaning guide.

Lee

One source of information came from Lilja, but it's not the only source that was similar as I recall. I kept in contact with Lapua on the 22 stuff at one time, but I could be mistaken about what I got from them as opposed to other source.

If anyone has a more definitive answer, I'm open to learning.

22 Rimfire Maintenance - Lilja Precision Rifle Barrels

The difference between rimfire and centerfire barrels is that rimfires requires essentially no break-in procedure. Here is a recommendation for cleaning

riflebarrels.com

 

[Jayplace]

When I think of wax such as Eley's lube which I believe itis a combination of tallow and bee's wax. it was always harder especially when temperatures were colder. warmer/hotter temperatures it wasn't too messy. but Lapua's lube even during cooler/colder temperatures didn't change all that much. if anything, cooler/colder made it stickier. warmer temperatures better have a towel to wipe your fingers on.

when you say Midas put out a guide are you referring to Lapua? I didn't know they provided information on cleaning barrels. that's very interesting, could you provide the link. I pretty much been shooting Lapua exclusively since 2012-2013 and never heard of them provided a barrel cleaning guide.

Lee

ELEY

How to Clean Your Rimfire Rifle Barrel the ELEY Way « Daily Bulletin

The experts at ELEY Limited, top rimfire ammo-maker, have posted a helpful guide to cleaning rimfire barrels. We reprint highlights of the article below, but we suggest you read the full article on the Eley website: <s...

bulletin.accurateshooter.com

 

[Jayplace]

I don't know who Jayplace is, but I know Lee (Hi-NV Shooter) and Lee is correct. SK and Lapua is lubricated with petroleum distillate and Eley is beeswax and tallow. My information on the Lapua came directly from the tunnel tech when I first tested in Mesa in 2015. Older Lapua did have wax based lube. I had some new old stock several years ago and the lube was definitely wax based, but not anymore. Some posters on forums don't know what they don't know, including cleaning procedures that accomplished (read winning) RFBR shooters use. JME, not an opinion.

Scott

I agree that what people don't know, they don't know.

Perhaps you or someone who does know could describe, "Cleaning procedures that accomplished (read winning) RFBR shooters use."

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

ELEY

How to Clean Your Rimfire Rifle Barrel the ELEY Way « Daily Bulletin

The experts at ELEY Limited, top rimfire ammo-maker, have posted a helpful guide to cleaning rimfire barrels. We reprint highlights of the article below, but we suggest you read the full article on the Eley website: <s...

bulletin.accurateshooter.com

I read this before, but this is Eley not Lapua you mentioned something about Midas recommendation?
FYI Anschutz published years ago about cleaning too.

Lee

I agree that what people don't know, they don't know.

Perhaps you or someone who does know could describe, "Cleaning procedures that accomplished (read winning) RFBR shooters use."

Not Scott, but whatever works is what winning RFBR shooters use for cleaning. most top shooters they clean after every target less than 50 rounds for most.

Lee

 

[dusterdave173]

I will admit while learning ARA Factory class in the last year--I got side tracked--blamed a lot of things on barrel cleaning ( or not cleaning so much ) and then ammo was always the issue.
OK I admit I have found out that it was me and my trigger pull--it was less than correct bench technique--wrong rear bag etc etc and when I finally got it together I have found that starting with a clean clean barrel --I am winning my share--it has been a long trip--lots of bumps and detours along the way.
We shoot a factory barrel and they are not like a custom high $$ barrel but...we now start with a very clean barrel--run one dry patch between cards until after the 3rd card then wet patch and dry--then dry between remaining cards. I am now shooting MUCH better scores and have the confidence to pay attention to the head game that is the big factor in actually winning.
It was Easy to blame the wrong things for poor performance and ...guess what? With the new program many more lots of ammo do well or at least acceptable considering the shortage and the need to shoot what you can actually get.
It has taken 16 months of competing to refine my "game" to where I am a threat at a match now.

Barrel cleaning ritual is the foundation of match success in any rimfire class . It took me Way too long to figure this out so...if you see a rookie at your local match--take them aside and guide them along so they get better before they give up--take pride in building new shooters into great shooters

MANY THANKS to linedrive301ft here on this site--he is a sage and has taken many hours out of his day to coach and help me along the way!! Heartfelt Thank you to him!!!

 

[doclu60]

Not Scott, but whatever works is what winning RFBR shooters use for cleaning. most top shooters they clean after every target less than 50 rounds for most.

Lee

Thank you, Lee! You are correct again. Of the top three on the IR50/50 3-Gun List last year, all three clean slightly differently, and I know all three quite well....

Scott

 

[doclu60]

I agree that what people don't know, they don't know.

Perhaps you or someone who does know could describe, "Cleaning procedures that accomplished (read winning) RFBR shooters use."

I don't 'do' cleaning or tuning threads anymore. Many really experienced RFBR shooters (way better than me) don't post on forums at all. Too many people 'reading' about the subjects, or taking grandpas advise from 50 years ago want to argue and challenge one's experience, even when they ask for an 'experienced opinion' in the first place. People who really want to learn the finer points of big time RFBR put their books and keyboards down and go to some matches. Real sanctioned matches.

Scott

 

[mule]

The obvious answer is switch to eley

 

[Jayplace]

I read this before, but this is Eley not Lapua you mentioned something about Midas recommendation?
FYI Anschutz published years ago about cleaning too.

Lee

Not Scott, but whatever works is what winning RFBR shooters use for cleaning. most top shooters they clean after every target less than 50 rounds for most.

Lee

I understand the second link was Eley and not Lapua Midas, it's also different than what Lilja rifles put out, and different than a number of others have also. I paid attention primarily to those involved with 22RF Benchrest. I was never trying to make a point on cleaning, just what I remembered. I could be mistaken, but I still think I saw something from Lapua on cleaning 22RF. It may have been posted or it may have been in a reply to a question I had to them.

 

[Jayplace]

I don't 'do' cleaning or tuning threads anymore. Many really experienced RFBR shooters (way better than me) don't post on forums at all. Too many people 'reading' about the subjects, or taking grandpas advise from 50 years ago want to argue and challenge one's experience, even when they ask for an 'experienced opinion' in the first place. People who really want to learn the finer points of big time RFBR put their books and keyboards down and go to some matches. Real sanctioned matches.

Scott

It's amazing what can be learned from book and reading. This FORUM is full of people reading, some learning, some asking questions and some giving advice or suggestions. Hopefully we make the best of it.

Personally, it never bothered me to have someone ask a question. Sometimes it helps me too.

 

[TRSR8]

I read this before, but this is Eley not Lapua you mentioned something about Midas recommendation?
FYI Anschutz published years ago about cleaning too.

Lee

Not Scott, but whatever works is what winning RFBR shooters use for cleaning. most top shooters they clean after every target less than 50 rounds for most.

Lee

Yep.
i do remember when ELEY sent their tech to the Triple crown, guy was surprised to see how top shots cleaned RFBR guns. Tell me all I need to know about their cleaning suggestions.
Dan…bless his heart, makes a nice barrel…..never been to a big match, apparently, neither have several “ it must be true, I read it on the internet” gurus posting on this thread.

 

[TRSR8]

Sorry you feel that way, but there's nobody forcing you to read anything that I post. If you continue to read my posts you are only causing your own pain. Very masochistic.
It sounds to me like anyone who competes against himself for personal satisfaction doesn't qualify as a competitive shooter. If that's you opinion, so be it. I too read posts that I don't agree with, but I certainly don't let them cause me any pain~!!!

Lovely misrepresentation of events. Shoot what you want, when you want.
Remember, you’re the guy that declared that while you shoot no matches, were you a match director, you’d DQ any shooter not” holding” his gun because RF rifles must be held.
That there, fiend, speaks for itself.