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Labradar vs Optical Chronos: Real World Experiences?

The thought of better chrono accuracy sure is appealing but.......

Can anyone report on actual results comparisons between Labradar and traditional optical chronographs?

I'm doing "F-Class style" shooting (I haven't actually shot an F-Class match - although my first match is Oct 3 - Woot!). Knowing precise MV sure would be nice - but wondering if the dough for a Labradar really gives you that much more accuracy. (I currently have a ProChrono which is roughly 5 years old.)

Thanks.

Jim
 
Does this help?

Does it help? Well, as a matter of fact: *YES!*.

I should have expanded my search to be more than the forum.

Thanks a bunch. This is awesome.

Jim
 
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The reasons I went with the LabRadar
1 Optical chronographs are a pain to set up at the range especially when you have to wait for a cease fire. They can be effected by light conditions and I know a few guys who have managed to hit them with a bullet.
2 The magneto speed works well however It puts weight on the barrel and changes harmonics and bullet impact. I had one and tried to make a mount so I wouldn't have to strap it to the barrel. It worked however one time it loosened up and the bullet skimmed the top of the bayonet. Ended up having to buy a new bayonet and eventually sold the chrono.
3. The LabRadar has its faults but most of them can be overcome.
I purchased a mini plastic picatinny rail (on eBay) that mounts to the top of the unit. I took an old BB gun scope and attach it to sight the unit on the target.
An external trigger is a must !!!!
Although I have not had a problem, many people have had problems with the power connection. This can be overcome with a magnetic cable attachment (also available on eBay)
I bought a 20000mAh battery and this will literally run it all day.
The LabRadar isn't cheap but it is by far the quickest and easiest unit to set up and with the external trigger I haven't dropped a shot in quite a while (unless I forget to turn it on which is my fault). Accuracy of the unit is not an issue.
 
My shooting partner has a Labradar. We have used an Oehler 35p for many years. The Oehler is my choice for reliable data n user friendliness. Can’t tell u of the number of rounds fired thru the Labradar that didn’t register for a host of reasons.
It seems the Labradar has a very precise window of capture. Until u find/ realize where that window is, a lot of rounds don’t register. Make sure u have the owners manual close by for reference when u have issues.
In the time we waisted trying to figureout why it wasn’t reading, we could have set up the 35 p n been done with it.
I don’t think accuracy of the unit is in question, just being better for someone more computer literate n used to electronic systems requirements/ limitations.
 
The CED Millennium is endorsed by IPSC for official use, and it is the official chronograph for more USPSA / IPSC championships than any other chronograph available today. It s also the only chrono tested against military radar as far as I know

Optical chronographs are a pain to set up at the range especially when you have to wait for a cease fire. They can be effected by light conditions and I know a few guys who have managed to hit them with a bullet.

I set up my chrono at the same time I put my target up which also requires a cold range where I shoot. I also use a laser bore sight to make sure it is positioned correctly. Personally I figure if you shoot your chrono than you have bigger issues with your shooting than needing to know the FPS. I did destroy my First CE by bouncing it around in the back of a Wrangler on dirt roads for ten years but never managed to shoot it
 
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The CED Millennium is endorsed by IPSC for official use, and it is the official chronograph for more USPSA / IPSC championships than any other chronograph available today. It s also the only chrono tested against military radar as far as I know



I set up my chrono at the same time I put my target up which also requires a cold range where I shoot. I also use a laser bore sight to make sure it is positioned correctly. Personally I figure if you shoot your chrono than you have bigger issues with your shooting than needing to know the FPS. I did destroy my First CE by bouncing it around in the back of a Wrangler on dirt roads for ten years but never managed to shoot it
I do the same with the laser, only don't have to worry about a cold range, I'm normally the only one there
at 0730. Start early before the heat sets in, central Texas.
 
The thought of better chrono accuracy sure is appealing but.......

Can anyone report on actual results comparisons between Labradar and traditional optical chronographs?

I'm doing "F-Class style" shooting (I haven't actually shot an F-Class match - although my first match is Oct 3 - Woot!). Knowing precise MV sure would be nice - but wondering if the dough for a Labradar really gives you that much more accuracy. (I currently have a ProChrono which is roughly 5 years old.)

Thanks.

Jim
Well I’ve only logged about 8 hours of shooting on my labradar so far and it hasn’t missed a single shot using large 30 and 338 braked magnums and 6.5 rifles without brakes. All different lighting conditions. Most issues you read with labradar not picking up shots is due to people not knowing how to set it up correctly. I did all my research before buying one and spoke to people who have used it for a long time. Set it up how they told me to and haven’t had one single issue from the first round to anything after that.

I’ve used so many different optical chronographs over the years and they all have a certain level of issues with different lighting angles, even if it’s the lighting kits. Such a pain to set up too. The best part about the labradar is how fast and easy it is to set up. I set it right in front of my ejection port at the barrel breech up really close to the rifle, aim the radar at the target with the sight on top, arm it, and start shooting. Piece of cake. I usually start shooting really early in the morning before the sun comes up and when the sun does come up over the mountains at a hard angle directly behind me, it doesn’t effect the reliability of my labradar at all since light has nothing to do with how it operates.
 
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About a thousand shots past my Labradar and the only miss-reads were because I forgot to change the velocity range from rifle to handgun the first few times I used it. That’s user error, and I don’t make that mistake anymore. Very reliable, although I don’t think I ever measured anything under .25 caliber. My Oehler had far more problems, as do virtually all optical chronos. And unlike my Oehler it can be used to determine the actual BC of a bullet. All data is digitally captured and easily importable to your PC. Setup is simple compared to my Oehler.


…Lab Radar seems to have many issues that the manufacturer will not address, no thanks…

While early models apparently had a few issues, they no longer exist - except as repeated in internet legend. As stated above, my only issue was user error, which is likely why some users have other problems. It’s not a Chrony, you have to understand how to use it and how to follow the instructions. But I don’t get why some folks report that they have trouble lining up the Labradar unit - so they buy a rifle scope and mount to put on the unit because they can’t line up a groove with their target? Anyway, I understand that it is rather costly and is more complex than many optical chronos - it just isn’t for everyone. But for me, it’s close to perfect and has improved my range experience. That may not matter to some but it does to me.





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I've used several optical chronographs, I still have a MagnetoSpeed, but I use the LabRadar. As long as the chronograph doesn't directly affect barrel harmonics, I'd have to say it's largely a matter of personal choice. I use the JKL Kinetic trigger with my own homemade magnetic mount, although they also sell one now (https://jklprecision.com/product/labradar-trigger/). With this trigger, missed shots are a rarity and picking up shots from other shooters are a thing of the past. My only complaint about my LabRadar is that the female power supply connector in the face of the unit is rather loose-fitting. I tried a couple different cables and found one that seems to be a tighter fit and is working just fine. The main advantages of the LabRadar are the ease of setup and nothing touching the barrel. Optical chronographs obviously don't touch the barrel, but how easy they are to setup depends on the model. Many are much more troublesome to set up than the LabRadar. Does that make it worth spending the extra coin on the LabRadar? Only the end user can decide.
 
I've used Ohler for years with my first one, a 33. About 3
years ago I sold my last Ohler to a good friend, and picked
up the Lab Radar. With some early growing pains, and
getting the settings spot on, I do not miss setting up the
Ohler or try using it on windy days, even with tent pegging
it to the turf. End results are the same giving the edge to
the Lab in my opinion and it's bench set. For power, I use
a 20,000 mah Power Juicer......As a side note, my buddy just
sold off my old Ohler and picked up a Lab. Either way, They
will all get the job done.
 
But I don’t get why some folks report that they have trouble lining up the Labradar unit - so they buy a rifle scope and mount to put on the unit because they can’t line up a groove with their target?





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I had one of the early LabRadar units and used it before the external triggers were available. At first I had a lot of trouble with it dropping shots. "failure to track projectile" I wasn't sure weather it was the triggering or the sighting. Using the $5 BB gun scope on top eliminated the sighting problem. When I got the external trigger it solved the triggering problem. I tend to stick with what works for me. For the price they charge for the LabRadar they could provide a better sighting mechanism than that little slot in the top. Some people use the slot others use a piece of tubing, is really doesn't matter as long as it works for you.
 
My shooting partner has a Labradar. We have used an Oehler 35p for many years. The Oehler is my choice for reliable data n user friendliness. Can’t tell u of the number of rounds fired thru the Labradar that didn’t register for a host of reasons.
It seems the Labradar has a very precise window of capture. Until u find/ realize where that window is, a lot of rounds don’t register. Make sure u have the owners manual close by for reference when u have issues.
In the time we waisted trying to figureout why it wasn’t reading, we could have set up the 35 p n been done with it.
I don’t think accuracy of the unit is in question, just being better for someone more computer literate n used to electronic systems requirements/ limitations.
EXACTLY, what he says.... John
 
A quick google search using the search terms like "Labradar won't pick up shots", "Labradar Bluetooth won't connect" "Labradar loose power connection" etc keeps me from retrying this product. With all the 2020 and 2021 threads I don't think thye have fixed much of anything. Thankfully I ordered mine when Brownells was selling them and they allowed me to return it after a month of frustration. If I won one in a lottery today I would put it on the Ebay tomorrow in box unopened condition. Until Version 2.0 comes out I won't be buying another one anytime soon

What I would like to see is Adam McDonald put his brain onto designing one. I bet his would have the transmitter/ receiver and the control/power supply separate for ease of operation and aiming. Power supply would be rechargeable and a recoil operated trigger would be included. Oh and I bet his would have a bluetooth connection that actually works for ease of data storage.

Now if wishes were horses
 
Labradar works just fine without any add-ons. I have put over 4000-5000 rounds over mine clocking centerfire
rifle, pistol and rimfire and it has been very reliable.

The only time I had an issue was helping two police officers clock their suppressed rifles with their Labradar and they were in a hurry so we did not have time to make adjustments.

There is a learning curve with Labradar, but for ease of use nothing touches it.
 
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The CED Millennium is endorsed by IPSC for official use, and it is the official chronograph for more USPSA / IPSC championships than any other chronograph available today. It s also the only chrono tested against military radar as far as I know
Jim, many optical units have been tested against a "military" radar standard. Sometimes the results are published, the vast majority are not. The book by Bryan Litz had some side-by-side tests and many of us have posted about these things years past. The link above was hardly the fist look at the subject.

A quick google search using the search terms like "Labradar won't pick up shots", "Labradar Bluetooth won't connect" "Labradar loose power connection" etc keeps me from retrying this product.
This is true, their Bluetooth connection is easy to break, but then you just have to disarm the radar and reconnect. Running the LR with a Bluetooth tablet while seated in position or while in the sling, still beats reaching over and hitting the arm button on the unit and the iPad screen is easy to place where it is more convenient.

I have several optical chronos including the Oehler , and the Magnetospeed at home, and at work I did electro-optics, radar, and fire control systems for a living. I have tracked things you can't imagine with budgets that were obscene, but that was nation state sized budgets and here we are talking about individual folks. I would still tell beginners to go with the LabRadar in a heartbeat. Once I had my hands on the LabRadar, the other units have never gone to the range. I even take the LR to the indoor pistol range and have never done that with an optical because it isn't allowed.

I'm never going to say that folks who like their current version should change, just that the best advice to give folks starting out is to skip the budget steps and go to the best standard rather than step through the progression.

All chronos have pros and cons, but this trade study is lopsided in favor of the LR with the only exception being the price for folks on a budget. (A different debate would be to ask, how will someone that cannot afford a LR be able to participate in a sport like F-Class? Is the difference between the LR and the CED or Prochrono going to be measurable after one or two seasons where a club match is 60 shots for record?)

That said, I certainly understand that younger folks might need to save up or want to start out with something cheaper. If that gets them into the game then it is better than staying home. If however, they attend some club matches and observe the Master and HighMaster class at work, work meaning practice or load development, they can come to their own conclusions in short order. This forum is great, but getting to a club with a regular schedule for their game of interest will get the to their goals much faster with less waste.

It will potentially be an un-popular thing to say here, but competitive shooting for accuracy score is far from a minimum wage sport.

When young folks in the club ask about jumping into midrange, long range, PRS, or high performance games, and the discussion turns to tools like LabRadar or ShotMarker or the A&DFx120i etc., they will get a better start with a good mentor and a budget that has those things built in, than one where they bump around with inferior budget equipment only to end up with what is known to work for the vast majority of participants.

These sports are not about the money you can spend, you still cannot buy your way in to High Master. You have work to do if you expect to climb the ranks or show up on podiums. But, getting good advice sometimes includes not buying the less expensive tools and in the longer run they will spend less to get to their goals. YMMV
 

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