It's a Sad Day in Oregon

[Steve Donlon]

Yeah sections C and D seem to have that covered for relatives. Friends not so much. Honestly unless I knew for sure whomever I was giving it to didn't had a forbidden background (felony) then I wouldn't do it without a check. I learned a long time ago there's exactly one person you can truely trust in this world and that's the one you see in the mirror. Although sometimes I wonder about them too!

I hope that it is still legal to build your own rifle with the help of a good gunsmith. As far as sections C and D, myself and my brother will just ignore those. They are misguided and unenforceable state laws. No one can stop a person from giving an adult family member a gun. It's insane to think anyone would follow a law like that in Oregon or any state. I know it would not fly in Arizona no matter how liberal it got. The police would not enforce it just like the SBR law.

 

[DShortt]

That's a sadly a worldwide problem. As I think you say over your way "You can't fix stupid!".

A co-worker has mentioned that multiple times.
I finally pointed out that actually you can, but there are consequences.
Most people aren't prepared to deal with consequences, so it's a self-perpetuating problem.

 

[FNSafari]

There are two New Englands....Mass, CT, RI and then Maine, NH and VT. VT is I believe the only state in the Union that has state constitution right to carry, but its been eroded by putting areas off limits and there is now a mag capacity rule, signed by a Republican governor.

NH still clings to individualism but sometimes I wonder why and how with all the f'ing flatlanders that have moved there.

Then Maine. Things were great until some mental army guard guy killed multitudes in Lewiston. They weren't all buried yet and new restrictive laws were passed, a 3-day waiting period. The army clearly fell down on this with multiple warnings from his unit mates and a local sheriffs office blew getting ahold of him and using Maines yellow flag law to remove his guns. The wait period is pending in court right now, and a judge has stayed its implementation...for now.

All of this nonsensical legislation comes from the majority population center of Portland south. The rest of maine is pretty sane. Again, too many libs moving here and an educational system that is indoctrinating kids with the wrong sense of what is right and wrong, and no real learning about the history of why this country was created and the constitution that was written to protect it.

 

[snert]

I don't think I'm wrong in what I'm about to say.
The people who come up with these restrictive and unreasonable regulations are idealists who basically think that "NO GUNS PERIOD" is the correct answer. That goal isn't do-able in the short term, so they simply use every possible means to restrict, hamper, and thwart the possession and use of guns and anything related to guns wherever they can.

Since their goal is based on idealism instead of practicality, any good that comes from it will be accidental, and probably inconsequential, and will come at the cost of stealing the rights which we all are born with.

These idealists are moronic in their regard to unintended consequences, and will never see themselves to blame for any mayhem they might cause to achieve their dream.
They are dangerous in ways that they aren't smart enough to realize. jd

They are dangerous in ways that they aren't smart enough to realize.

Exactly why I quit working for a public school as security (under laws that disarmed me, a 20 year police officer). With a straight face the "powers" said this was "safer". The moronic logic of that literally drove my blood pressure through the roof.

Now I carry daily at work, doing the same thing for my church. They get it.

 

[Kittitas George]

As I explained yesterday on this sight, the 'gun lobby' needs to have input before the legislation gets to the hearing stage. They need to be in the committee meetings when the legislation is being written. Hand guns carried by dopers in the street is a different problem than high capacity guns used in mass shootings. No such thing as a "fix-all". Inconveniencing legal gun owners, purchasers and dealers will only cause anger directed at all representatives. Calm, logical and orderly discussion is the method to get the desired results, insults or calling someone an SOB, is not productive. The question is 'how many street corner thugs have signed up for the state "gun safety program?"

 

[drop_point]

There are three boxes. You use each progressively until you have liberty or you will live a slave. That's about all there is to it. People have to ban together and make big decisions.

 

[Tucker65]

So I believe this is the first day that I need a permit to purchase a firearm in my home state.
Problem is -- there is nowhere to obtain the permit. Also any magazines with capacity over 10 are illegal except in my home, or at a licensed range. This all seems kind of like infringement to me. I don't quite know what to say. jd

Another terrible thing that could be coming is HB 3076 which is going to require ffl's to also apply for a special gun dealer license through the state of Oregon. I didn't read through the entire bill but it looks like they have a bunch of requirements that will pretty much put a lot of small businesses of gunsmiths out of business. Along with the yearly fee to get get the license they have a bunch of requirements the business has to do.

They are talking about requirements for rules securely storing firearms, requirements for video monitoring, requirements for alarm systems, reasonable periodic business inspections with a minimum of one every three years, training classes for you or any employees, and also some other things in this bill.

I'm not sure how we stop their nonsense, but hopefully this stuff doesn't pass into law.

Here is a link to the bill on state of Oregon's website.

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2025R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/28497

 

[PhilC]

It's still legal to give a brother or friend a gun is it not?

It is not illegal to gift a firearm to a family member in WA. Relevant portion of RCW 9.41.113 quoted below:

"(4) This section does not apply to: (a)"A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;"

 

[PerryR]

Left OR in 2021 best move I ever made.

 

[divingin]

My only memory of Oregon was being screamed at by a gas station owner for trying to fill the tank of my rental car to the top.
If they can make you think that filling your car with gas is dangerous, they can pass any other stupid legislation that they can dream up.

You sure it wasn't simply because you were filling the tank? I think Oregon had a law prohibiting self-service fueling up until fairly recently.

 

[Dan-Schenk]

Its the major bigger cities that are telling you how to live your life out in the countryside.

It can be fixed, but it require`s ALOT of men with big nutters!
Apparently we don`t have that option anymore. To many man buns and soyboys.

I refer to it as a twatknot.

 

[Explorer1]

As I explained yesterday on this sight, the 'gun lobby' needs to have input before the legislation gets to the hearing stage. They need to be in the committee meetings when the legislation is being written. Hand guns carried by dopers in the street is a different problem than high capacity guns used in mass shootings. No such thing as a "fix-all". Inconveniencing legal gun owners, purchasers and dealers will only cause anger directed at all representatives. Calm, logical and orderly discussion is the method to get the desired results, insults or calling someone an SOB, is not productive. The question is 'how many street corner thugs have signed up for the state "gun safety program?"

At recent hearings in WA, the input has commonly been ~10:1 AGAINST the proposed bill and the bill moved ahead anyway. The Nanny State Socialists don't care what the serfs think, they know better and are going to tell us what we must do. The one cure they missed is MOVING OUT OF STATE, taking my tax money with me.

 

[Explorer1]

There are three boxes. You use each progressively until you have liberty or you will live a slave. That's about all there is to it. People have to ban together and make big decisions.

Very true, but many recognize 4 boxes: soap box, ballot box, jury box, and cartridge box.

 

[Bc'z]

Very true, but many recognize 4 boxes: soap box, ballot box, jury box, and cartridge box.

Well if 2 failed you can resort to 4 which will probably lead you to 3 just before they kick 1 out from under ya.

 

[joshb]

At recent hearings in WA, the input has commonly been ~10:1 AGAINST the proposed bill and the bill moved ahead anyway. The Nanny State Socialists don't care what the serfs think, they know better and are going to tell us what we must do. The one cure they missed is MOVING OUT OF STATE, taking my tax money with me.

I pulled out of a woke state in 2019. They recently elected the FIRST transgender to Congress. I save a ton of income tax and am a resident of gun friendly Texas. Moving was tough at my age but it was worth it! Almost everybody around here hunts or shoots. The local hardware store sells guns and reloading supplies. It’s the perfect place to live out my golden years.
I was perdigitating last night. In 5 more years my Texas house will be “paid off” with the money saved from not paying Delaware income Tax.

 

[ggshoots]

There are two New Englands....Mass, CT, RI and then Maine, NH and VT. VT is I believe the only state in the Union that has state constitution right to carry, but its been eroded by putting areas off limits and there is now a mag capacity rule, signed by a Republican governor.

NH still clings to individualism but sometimes I wonder why and how with all the f'ing flatlanders that have moved there.

Then Maine. Things were great until some mental army guard guy killed multitudes in Lewiston. They weren't all buried yet and new restrictive laws were passed, a 3-day waiting period. The army clearly fell down on this with multiple warnings from his unit mates and a local sheriffs office blew getting ahold of him and using Maines yellow flag law to remove his guns. The wait period is pending in court right now, and a judge has stayed its implementation...for now.

All of this nonsensical legislation comes from the majority population center of Portland south. The rest of maine is pretty sane. Again, too many libs moving here and an educational system that is indoctrinating kids with the wrong sense of what is right and wrong, and no real learning about the history of why this country was created and the constitution that was written to protect it.

Not correct on the State Constitution Right to Carry. 29 states have it.

Constitutional Carry States 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

To bad so many of the Lib states are mostly conservative but the population centers sometimes carry the states.

 

[jxb]

Not correct on the State Constitution Right to Carry. 29 states have it.

Constitutional Carry States 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

To bad so many of the Lib states are mostly conservative but the population centers sometimes carry the states.

Yeah and that site is even misleading, maybe they are referring to concealed carry but I didn't see where it was said.

In Oregon you only need a permit for concealed carry, you can open carry over nearly all the state. I believe Portland city limits open carry is not allowed but that might have been challenged and shot down, haven't heard any other municipalities saying you can't. It's as common as water to see people open carrying in Oregon, mostly you see it in the fall during hunting season but in much of Eastern Oregon you might see folks with one on their hip any time of the year. Heck the only reason I got my concealed carry permit was so I never had to worry about some overzealous enforcement person giving me a hard time for carrying it covered in cold weather as my long coats cover it.

 

[jds holler]

Yeah, it's difficult for those of us living in sane parts of the state to not adopt a "oh hell with em" attitude, and simply carry on as usual.

Many of our sheriffs have openly stated that they won't comply with these ridiculous rules. It's like we live in a different world than the one we hear about on the news. jd

 

[NZ_Fclass]

You sure it wasn't simply because you were filling the tank? I think Oregon had a law prohibiting self-service fueling up until fairly recently.

It was self service-, but apparently one has to stop filling when the pump stops automatically - and not, as I always do, put the last couple of litres in.

 

[Fire Dog]

So I believe this is the first day that I need a permit to purchase a firearm in my home state.
Problem is -- there is nowhere to obtain the permit. Also any magazines with capacity over 10 are illegal except in my home, or at a licensed range. This all seems kind of like infringement to me. I don't quite know what to say. jd

Called a PTA,
Permit To Aquire in Ozstralia…
NO magazine more than 10rds, NO semi-auto long arms or pump action shotguns. You will have your firearm secured at all times and be subject to “Safe Storage” inspections at any time without prior notification, ammunition will be stored in seperate locked container {safes here have a seperate lockable compartment.}
Only time a firearm permitted out of Secure Storage is to clean or to transport, all other times it must be locked up.
Firearm will be transported to range or field in a secure condition, trigger lock or chained to secure point {most recommended to avoided any hassle} and not observable from the outside of the vehicle, ammunition in a seperate locked container, also recommended that bolt be removed but not required but grey area and up to inspecting officer if you are complying to safe storage/transport conditions.
Violation of conditions means immediate impound of firearms subject to court appeal for return.
State of West Australia has now introduced a limit to the number of firearms that can be owned by a licensed shooter….