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No I do not bet. We will all just have to watch and see. Lawsuit is being filed in GA in the next couple of days about their recount. The raid in spain recovered the server they were using for this vote changing was taken by USA military.

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Do you have a link for this? I did a quick search and the only thing I could find is a debunked story about a raid in Germany.

The Georgia recount was done by hand. This eliminates any computer shenanigans. Trump still lost. It was declared by a Republican Governor. By a Republican state level Government. How many times must Trump humiliate himself? Why is it so impossible to believe that with all the hate out there for Trump, that a whole lot of average Joes and Janes simply voted against him?
 
As a child, I was brought up believing you don't lie, cheat or steal. Your word is your bond. You conduct your affairs with integrity, honor, and truthfulness. You do not bear false witness. You are kind to others and help those in need.

However, although I was taught these principles, the message I internalized...wrongly...is that this is the way people are. All people. I was never taught and never learned until I became an adult that not all people are like this, that many people are the exact opposite and regularly lie, cheat, steal, and victimize others. They feel the rules of fair play are devices to be used to disadvantage others while giving themselves an upper hand.

I got the "innocent as doves" part but somehow missed the "wise as serpents" part!

Consequently I got screwed over a couple of times by things I ever saw coming. Because I could not conceive of doing a particular dishonest thing...it simply was not in my make-up...I also could not conceive of someone manipulating me and doing harm to me.

I think the current political situation is the same. You have half the people who are just fine and dandy with rampant corruption, pursuit of power at any cost, and tearing down the whole system either to get some benefit for themselves, real or perceived, or just simply out of spite. Then you have the other half that believe in all those lofty values that define the best of human behavior, conduct themselves accordingly and expect that everybody does the same.

Somebody once said, when the law is not applied equally to everyone at all times, when there is a two-tiered system of justice, then the law becomes only a way for those connected to power to punish those who are not connected to power. I fear this is where we are now and it's going to get worse.
Bravo, very well said!
 
Elaborate please, which ones?
No way of knowing but I have no doubt there are people in our government who will stop at nothing to achieve what they want.
All it would take is to find someone a little off their rocker already then with a few meds, here is our next shooter. Hope I'm 100% wrong about this.
 
I'm way behind the knowledge curve on a lot of this stuff. Last night and today I've bee trying to sort through some of the noise.

I hear much about a raid by US forces to seize Dominion servers, and Dominion closing offices, and Dominion representatives failing to appear in Pennsylvania at hearings. As far as I know these things may or may or be true but, hasn't Dominion been going through a bankruptcy and could this be a explanation for at least some of this, the servers going off-line (which does appear to be true) and offices closing (also appears true)?
 
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No I do not bet. We will all just have to watch and see. Lawsuit is being filed in GA in the next couple of days about their recount. The raid in spain recovered the server they were using for this vote changing was taken by USA military.

Dominon did not show up to the PA law makers hearing. This is not going away anytime soon. They can certify votes all they want and move Biden into the whitehouse this still will not go away.

The dems are not smart they just think the republicans and people have no spine. I think they are going to find out different. Do not forget about China either Biden could be impeached over that as well. Going to be a marathon not a sprine.

I still like Tucker and I watched Sidneys response so he was offered a witness and a document as evidence.

I am going silent for the rest of the weekend I have cabinets to build and some rifles to work on and I need to turn my brain off.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. @Idaho-Lefty (post #478), @tommeboy (post #607), and @bsekf (post #717) wouldn't back their assertions, either.
 
In late 60s, we freely kept our rifles and shotguns in our dorm rooms.
How about this. when I lived in Bklyn NY on saturday as kids we would get on the train that went to coney island. one day two older guys get on the train with 2 rifle cases. so I said where you guys going? they said to a rifle match in Long Island. can you imagine getting on a NYC train with rifles today?
 
You know what, I hope they don't. Read your Constitution and see what would happen next.

I have $100 that says here's what happens next:

1. Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin certify their votes for Biden. [Georgia already has.]

2. On 14 December 2020, Biden gets all of the presidential electoral votes from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

3. On 6 January 2021 a joint session of Congress counts the electoral votes, and Biden becomes the President-Elect.

4. On 20 January 2021, Biden is inaugurated as the 46th President of the U.S.

If any of the above 4 things do not happen, you win the bet.

Are you going to take the bet?
 
The whole Guiliani / Sidney Powell thing is confounding. Two weeks of promises of bombshell revelations and irrefutable evidence of a widespread conspiracy and nothing concrete to that effect presented to any court. None of the lawsuits that have been filed in any of the courts argue that wide scale fraud has been committed. If actual evidence of widespread fraud is presented in a court of law and it withstands scrutiny I'll stand corrected but two weeks of 'bombshell will drop soon!' is getting long in the tooth.

What is the endgame of the Guiliani / Powell show? It does not seem to be to change the outcome of the election. If that was the case, and they have irrefutable evidence of a widespread conspiracy, why are they not filing cases to that effect in courts? They are running out of time. Some states have already certified the results, others will do so in the very near future. Sad as it is, the 'stretch this out as long as possible while we are getting paid' is looking like a likely motivator.

I am going to make the cynical prediction that no 'massive wide-scale fraud including vote-switching by Dominion software' suit will be filed in any court next week, but that Sidney Powell towards the end of next week will say 'getting close, will be filed in the next two weeks'. And then the same the following week. And the same the week after that etc. until time runs out.

If I'm wrong I'll stand corrected but the cynic in me believes the prediction will come through.
 
I have $100 that says here's what happens next:

1. Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin certify their votes for Biden. [Georgia already has.]

2. On 14 December 2020, Biden gets all of the presidential electoral votes from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

3. On 6 January 2021 a joint session of Congress counts the electoral votes, and Biden becomes the President-Elect.

4. On 20 January 2021, Biden is inaugurated as the 46th President of the U.S.

If any of the above 4 things do not happen, you win the bet.

Are you going to take the bet?
I have $100 that says here's what happens next:

1. Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin certify their votes for Biden. [Georgia already has.]

2. On 14 December 2020, Biden gets all of the presidential electoral votes from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

3. On 6 January 2021 a joint session of Congress counts the electoral votes, and Biden becomes the President-Elect.

4. On 20 January 2021, Biden is inaugurated as the 46th President of the U.S.

If any of the above 4 things do not happen, you win the bet.

Are you going to take the bet?
Most folks I know don't bet. We use the money in more adult ways, so why don't you state what you think and get off the bet challenge. Just state your thoughts and we will see by January 20.

Usually when I see people keep coming up with bet challenge it's just a cheap way to "feel" like you are winning a discussion.
 
We are all allotted a certain amount of time in this life and from here on out, I refuse to waste any more of mine arguing with a liberal.
And this IS, basically WHY,.. I'm not "Bantering" or BETTING with, ANY of the ANTI-Gun, Liberals ! I almost wish that, THEY ( NOT us ! ) "could" HAVE,.. the Socialistic, DICTATORS, Biden / Harris for, 4 Years ! With their, Utopian ideas, Tax us to Death, socialistic, Society with, REPARATIONS for all the "evil deeds" that "us" Americans have done, over the years,. LOL ! PS; I don't need, the Money and WON'T waste, MY,.. TIME !
I still BELIEVE that,.. Biden, AIN'T gonna "be", the next POTUS ! Follow the Money, the Lawyers and,.. WAIT !
Personally, I'm doing WHAT Don Jr.,.. is doing,. Cleaning and Tuning, MY Pitchfork's, in case, this gets,. UGLY !
 
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Yeah I have shit to do you should try it. As for your bet and calling out other members they might have shit do too and your macho bet attitude does nothing for me.
Toby, looks like you are getting close to the end of the line with these Mensa candidates! When they suddenly “have shit to do,” it’s a good bad sign.
 
Most folks I know don't bet. We use the money in more adult ways,

Like "investing" in the stock market? Buying shares is nothing more than a bet that the company you're owning will pay dividends, increase in share price, or both. Do you own any stocks, mutual funds, or ETFs?

Buying a bond is nothing more than a bet that the borrower will pay off, with interest. Own any of those?

Usually when I see people keep coming up with bet challenge it's just a cheap way to "feel" like you are winning a discussion.

Usually when I see people decline a bet it's because they don't really believe what they're saying.

After all, if @Capt45 really believes that Trump's crack legal team is going to prove -- in court -- systemic vote fraud, he should take the bet and donate the easy $100 he wins from me to Trump's legal fund.

I donated the $100 I won on a COVID-19 bet to this site, in gratitude for the Forum Boss and Administrators letting the "COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics" thread go on. Unfortunately, that thread was killed (after I stopped posting in it) because of personal attacks. It looks like this thread is now headed in the same direction, so I'll stop posting here, too.
 
The whole Guiliani / Sidney Powell thing is confounding. Two weeks of promises of bombshell revelations and irrefutable evidence of a widespread conspiracy and nothing concrete to that effect presented to any court. None of the lawsuits that have been filed in any of the courts argue that wide scale fraud has been committed. If actual evidence of widespread fraud is presented in a court of law and it withstands scrutiny I'll stand corrected but two weeks of 'bombshell will drop soon!' is getting long in the tooth.

What is the endgame of the Guiliani / Powell show? It does not seem to be to change the outcome of the election. If that was the case, and they have irrefutable evidence of a widespread conspiracy, why are they not filing cases to that effect in courts? They are running out of time. Some states have already certified the results, others will do so in the very near future. Sad as it is, the 'stretch this out as long as possible while we are getting paid' is looking like a likely motivator.

I am going to make the cynical prediction that no 'massive wide-scale fraud including vote-switching by Dominion software' suit will be filed in any court next week, but that Sidney Powell towards the end of next week will say 'getting close, will be filed in the next two weeks'. And then the same the following week. And the same the week after that etc. until time runs out.

If I'm wrong I'll stand corrected but the cynic in me believes the prediction will come throu
Toby, looks like you are getting close to the end of the line with these Mensa candidates! When they suddenly “have shit to do,” it’s a good bad sign.
you're gone, too.
 
Most folks I know don't bet. We use the money in more adult ways, so why don't you state what you think and get off the bet challenge. Just state your thoughts and we will see by January 20.

Usually when I see people keep coming up with bet challenge it's just a cheap way to "feel" like you are winning a discussion.
it's similar to name calling: you've already lost the argument.
 
I have read this thread everyday since it began. And while I respect everyone’s right to have their own opinion and to be able to voice that viewpoint I am done reading it. The view of many members here is downright depressing to me and has a negative effect on my own mental health. This is my right and I am going to exercise it. I totally understand the Forum Boss’s ban on political posts.
 
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