Is it Hoarding or is it Prudence?

[J.d. Popkes]

Reminds me of the kids book The Little Red Hen.

 

[Clam]

Primers and powder have been a good store of value the last while, their prices have increased more than any savings account. I’m not sure about brass and bullets, but would assume they did as well.

I learned the last time around, buy plenty when available. Even if all you can afford is a box of bullets, lb of powder or some primers each month, do it.

 

[3Sigma]

I feel bad for the new guys just entering handloading. My son in law started his own construction business this year. 16 hour days pretty common for the guy. Has had his nose down with his work and was unaware of the shortages. He is a 300 Win Mag fanatic. When he called me about where to find components, I told him I have everything he needs until all this calms down. Probably many new to reloading without the ability to pursue this endeavour.

I am fairly new to all this... only been into it for 3 years, slowly growing my reloading as I go. The same holds for guys like me... any new cartridge that requires different components from what I have are a challenge.

I load mostly 308, 30-06, 25-06, and 22-250 for rifles. Those all can get by with very similar powders and LRP. However, I am in the process of building a 338 magnum, but I worry about getting the slow powder (H1000) and magnum primers way before I should.

 

[cheek9075]

I plan on building a 300 RUM. Before I start the build I wanted to know I could secure the powder, primers, brass, and bullets. I now have all I need except for the rifle. I found 1000 primers, 400 bullets( which will do me my life time, hunting rifle only). Easy things as of now is the action, barrel and stock.
I found myself the last few weeks going through my stuff to make sure I had what I need/wanted. What I realized is I've got more powder and primers than I do bullets and brass... I need to plan ahead better I guess.... I have been able to find some bullets. Guess I will need to anneal some brass so it last.

 

[dryhumor]

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I found that yesterday. I’m thinking from a hoarding or prudence standpoint, that jug should last a long time. Almost, makes it worth buying....

I believe someone mentioned capitalism earlier. This is an example of it at its finest. 62.50 a pound. $50 shipping, but only to a limited service area, then a possible restocking fee.... As far as increasing pricing, is this a hint of what’s to come? If it is, then that pricing may be as cheap now as it going to get. $100 per thousand on primers is a scary thought, yet they could very well get there. I’ve seen $5.99 per hundred locally, at least once.

When I think about pricing like that, the more it makes sense to group buy; and split. Maybe one or two, maybe 10 or 12. That would be prudence.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Anyone charging that amount of money, is an unscrupulous and opportunistic JACKASS.

Paying that price is just plain stupidity and is enabling the JACKASS.

 

[nakneker]

Use any terminology you want but if you own a firearm or a bunch of firearms and don’t have the ammo to enjoy those firearms you might not be a hoarder or prudent, you might just be dumb, unwise, short sighted, ill prepared, low on funds, pick whatever term you want .....

 

[SPQR70AD]

the same way this country made gay marriage and gays adopting kids into heroes is not much different for reclassifying greedy hoarders as prudent and smart. the bar keeps getting lower

 

[Dgd6mm]

the same way this country made gay marriage and gays adopting kids into heroes is not much different for reclassifying greedy hoarders as prudent and smart. the bar keeps getting lower

Complainers are always complaining.

 

[SPQR70AD]

I own both. The Teslong is no Hawkeye, it's not even close. And it is the marked differences between the two that cause the price of the Hawkeye to be so much greater. However, the Teslong is a much, much better borescope than other more modestly-priced borescopes that were previous available, and it's functionality is more than sufficient for most users. So it has gotten a good deal of acclaim because shooters that were unwilling or unable to drop $900 on a Hawkeye have a much more reasonably-priced option available to them.

Empty shelves are empty shelves. There is no way to attribute some underlying reason such as communism to appearance empty shelves without knowing the the real economic reasons that actually caused them. In this case, it is simply supply and demand. Russian primers were banned as part of Obama's economic sanctions against Russia for their actions in Crimea, and later Ukraine. It's really that simple.

The real reason people are weeping and gnashing their teeth about the lack of primer availability is simply because THEY can't go out and buy some primers whenever they want. It is frustration and anger that THEY were not far-sighted enough to buy components before the shortage occurred, and as a result are now without. So they direct their frustration and anger toward those that were wise enough to stock up and buy sufficient reloading components to last them through lean times, further blaming them for the current primer shortage. I get it, that's just human nature. However, people in the U.S. buying 1000, 5000, or 10,000 primers at a time are NOT the reason why they are currently not on the shelves, no matter how much the people that currently don't have any would like them to be. No one complained about people buying large quantities of reloading components when they were plentiful, because there were enough on the shelves that they could still get them whenever they wanted. They only complain now because THEY have been inconvenienced. Those that are without will always rail against those that are not. An argument can certainly be made that primer availability now that the shortage is already upon is has been lessened further by panic buying whenever a few boxes do actually appear on the shelves, however, that is still not the underlying reason that caused this shortage in the first place. When demand exceeds supply, panic buying almost always occurs, but panic buying is generally is not the original cause of the the shortage, because it usually only occurs after items have either completely disappeared from the shelves, or are getting close to doing so.

nobody on the planet needs the slight difference in the hawkeye and the teslong. my friend has one and it is impossible to see more in the barrel then what the teslong shows.
empty shelves for 50 years has been tied to the communist system as we are 70% into communism here. without the govt crushing competition and EPA destroying people that might want to start making ammo there would be more on the shelves. The US has bombed and sanctioned most of the world killed 100's of thousands made homeless 5 million people and you got the nerve to accuse Russia of foreign meddling

 

[Jr solocam]

Buy what you can. I'll not touch the political spectrum.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

With nearly 20 million new gun sales this year, it stands to reason there would be a shortage in ammunition. Most retailers are limiting ammo sales to one box per gun sold. Don't buy a gun and in most cases you won't get any ammo.

Ammunition manufactures have been trying to catch up. Because of this powder makers are out of powder and so are primers. To meet demand for 20 million guns, if each person buys 50 bullets, that's 100 million bullets. I have two friends who just started reloading this year. They are not as well stocked up as some of us. When something hits the shelves, they are now buying all they can get. Which is not much. They are my friends, but no my responsibility.

My local gun store called me this morning and asked if I needed any primers. I have enough already to last for a good long time, but I said yes and was able to get 2,000 large and small rifle primers. He sold every thing he had by calling his regular customers. And the price was right. He was satisfied to make his normal profit. You don't find many dealers like that.

 

[D Coots]

Just some random thoughts on the current situation.

Is it hoarding or is it prudence? I cast my mind back to 1993 and 1994 - The Brady Bill and the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. I remember the sweeping changes enacted by The Feds and an enthusiastic enforcement by many states. Overnight the scenery changed - and if you weren't prepared then you were SOL for the next ten years. Admittedly these laws expired and we now have just a few lingering shadows, but at the time it was a scramble moment to get these things (AR's, magazines, etc...) before they were illegaled.

The opponents of 2A are very smart. They are also very crafty. They read the same articles, the same bulletin boards, and the same forums that we do. They don't see a problem; instead, they see an opportunity. An opportunity to enact sweeping changes to make the world a better place as they see fit. They want to tell you how to live, how you should act, what you should or shouldn't support. Guns and Ammo are not part of their worldview and they will go to extraordinary measures to ensure they are not part of yours. If they can't get your guns, why not take away the ammunition?

Many of the "details" of a Bill are buried, or attached as a "rider" to an otherwise unrelated Bill. When will you be accused of sitting on an "Arsenal of 5 guns and thousands of bullets."? The problem we face as volume shooters and reloaders is just that - perception is reality. Even the kindest-hearted liberals became enraged at toilet paper and sanitizer hoarders. The pictures of that little old lady staring at empty shelves, the tear-jerking stories of people not being able to get what they "absolutely needed". But I will lay bets that the people virtue-signalling also had what they needed plus a stash above and beyond that. They certainly aren't buying that TP today, they are just reaching into the closet, or attic, or backyard shed.

When will the tides change, and what will bring them about? Another nutball who decides to take a few folks with him, some mentally diseased individual who crafts a bomb, or a family that is taken away too soon by a lowlife for nefarious reasons? You can bet that there are Bills and other legislation pre-written and waiting for these developments. Ready to put in front of a shocked House, Senate, and President to be enacted at the soonest opportunity and without review.

So I have taken these lessons and learned from them. We live in a capitalist system. The market will determine what the buyer is prepared to purchase. I am still looking for components and I have been "price-gouged" to a certain degree. I have also seen egregious examples of profiteering. I don't like it or agree with it, but it is what it is. I see it as prudence under the current conditions to get what I can, when I can. If that means dropping my standards of living a little then I will. No more road trips, eating sandwiches from home instead of buying lunch, and cancelling a few luxuries. Then venturing forward with these few saved dollars to find what I can.

Sorry if I step on your toes on the way to the counter at the local gun store, or if I put in that last-second bid, or if I clear the shelves just minutes before you get there. If you made it there first then I salute you - maybe we can horse-trade later. Give me the stink-eye and tell me what a bad person I am. I will admit it and walk out the door with a heavy heart - and 12 pounds of powder and 1000 primers.

The world isn't pretty. I just try to live here.

Well spoken miningshawn.

 

[skeeljc]

Hoarding for Democrats in charge is prudent! Buying and selling for profit on Gunbroker is criminal!

 

[rjtfroggy]

I sure wish I had a little more Prudence back in August.
No make that a lot more.

 

[hoz53]

Just some random thoughts on the current situation.

Is it hoarding or is it prudence? I cast my mind back to 1993 and 1994 - The Brady Bill and the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. I remember the sweeping changes enacted by The Feds and an enthusiastic enforcement by many states. Overnight the scenery changed - and if you weren't prepared then you were SOL for the next ten years. Admittedly these laws expired and we now have just a few lingering shadows, but at the time it was a scramble moment to get these things (AR's, magazines, etc...) before they were illegaled.

The opponents of 2A are very smart. They are also very crafty. They read the same articles, the same bulletin boards, and the same forums that we do. They don't see a problem; instead, they see an opportunity. An opportunity to enact sweeping changes to make the world a better place as they see fit. They want to tell you how to live, how you should act, what you should or shouldn't support. Guns and Ammo are not part of their worldview and they will go to extraordinary measures to ensure they are not part of yours. If they can't get your guns, why not take away the ammunition?

Many of the "details" of a Bill are buried, or attached as a "rider" to an otherwise unrelated Bill. When will you be accused of sitting on an "Arsenal of 5 guns and thousands of bullets."? The problem we face as volume shooters and reloaders is just that - perception is reality. Even the kindest-hearted liberals became enraged at toilet paper and sanitizer hoarders. The pictures of that little old lady staring at empty shelves, the tear-jerking stories of people not being able to get what they "absolutely needed". But I will lay bets that the people virtue-signalling also had what they needed plus a stash above and beyond that. They certainly aren't buying that TP today, they are just reaching into the closet, or attic, or backyard shed.

When will the tides change, and what will bring them about? Another nutball who decides to take a few folks with him, some mentally diseased individual who crafts a bomb, or a family that is taken away too soon by a lowlife for nefarious reasons? You can bet that there are Bills and other legislation pre-written and waiting for these developments. Ready to put in front of a shocked House, Senate, and President to be enacted at the soonest opportunity and without review.

So I have taken these lessons and learned from them. We live in a capitalist system. The market will determine what the buyer is prepared to purchase. I am still looking for components and I have been "price-gouged" to a certain degree. I have also seen egregious examples of profiteering. I don't like it or agree with it, but it is what it is. I see it as prudence under the current conditions to get what I can, when I can. If that means dropping my standards of living a little then I will. No more road trips, eating sandwiches from home instead of buying lunch, and cancelling a few luxuries. Then venturing forward with these few saved dollars to find what I can.

Sorry if I step on your toes on the way to the counter at the local gun store, or if I put in that last-second bid, or if I clear the shelves just minutes before you get there. If you made it there first then I salute you - maybe we can horse-trade later. Give me the stink-eye and tell me what a bad person I am. I will admit it and walk out the door with a heavy heart - and 12 pounds of powder and 1000 primers.

The world isn't pretty. I just try to live here.

I heard someone say today— “ Lets get all the hoarders addicted to crack so they sell all the stuff they been hoarding to try and finance the habit”. Sound good to you?? LOL