But let's not forget about the insurance, on top of all of our permits, licenses and taxes our insurance is approximately $17000.00 a year and yes that is including our smith liability theft, fire, wind and general liability. So when someone says $300 is high to re- barrel an action..... Think again. We must really love our line of work, because we're not getting rich!
Is a Federal License required to work on guns?
- Thread starter Papa Charlie
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Yep;
Some are so ignorant that to them, a $60 tax refund is 'getting' over on the man'
No payroll deductions, and elections are held the day after tax deadline.
Teaching economics to the young skulls full of mush wouldn't hurt, either.
muleman69
USMC -1st marine Div. RVN
You made my day, almost spit my soup up when I read the ...LOL
joshb
Gold $$ Contributor
Very observant. It's hard to hide an eighty pound Red Retriever!She's always by my chair. She finally decided that she's not a shop dog. My guess is that she doesn't like the scream of the routers.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Most regulations are traceable to the "commerce clause" in the Constitution. If you're making money, the government wants a piece of the action. So in most cases, when you are doing something for your own benefit that does not have a commerce angle for them to wedge their claws into, you won't need a license. That's why you can make an AR for yourself starting with an 80% lower that you have to machine the rest of the way, but you can't sell it. The BATFE is at least partially funded by the license fees and they need the money, but at some point they just can't make a case for commerce.
Further,in a somewhat abstract sense;
There are writeoffs if one goes through the proper channels,that blur the lines between hobby and profession?It's one thing if I'm writing off bales of hay for a "horse farm"(which interestingly,they put a stop to),or buying equipment to support an otherwise hobby....So,at the risk of tripping over 2nd amendment "rights"....it is understandable.But generally agree with FatOld above.
There are writeoffs if one goes through the proper channels,that blur the lines between hobby and profession?It's one thing if I'm writing off bales of hay for a "horse farm"(which interestingly,they put a stop to),or buying equipment to support an otherwise hobby....So,at the risk of tripping over 2nd amendment "rights"....it is understandable.But generally agree with FatOld above.
We all know we're not "in the business" when we help out a friend, but it's almost impossible to prove that we didn't get some compensation, however intangible, from it. And remember, once ATF has their hooks in you, you are paying an attorney ten bucks a minute to fight with them. There is a word for people who argue with ATF on their own- felons. If you rob a convenience store and shoot a dozen orphans on the sidewalk when leaving, you're innocent until proven guilty. If you redrill a stripped scope mounting hole on your buddy's rifle so he can take it elk hunting the next day, and don't have an FFL, you're guilty until proven innocent. The ATF has an institutional belief (or at least they used to) that every FFL holder is a criminal that just hasn't been caught yet.
Yeah, well clearly if your buddy is letting you work on his firearm, you or he has done, is doing, or will be doing something shady, right? At the very least, you're taking commerce away from someone who pays them a license fee for the privilege of doing what you're doing. If you think about all of the alphabet soup federal law enforcement groups, which one has the hardest time justifying its existence from a necessity standpoint?
Thank You ! Never Forget ! I need to come up with the Latin phrase for that.
hogpatrol
Gold $$ Contributor
imprudentia legem fractionis
That's why we pay 5 digits for a liability policy!Don't forget another aspect. Do you know what happens if "something bad " happens and lawyers get involved. Everybody gets sued.
Nope. I just don't work on guns anymore at all. I do a little tinkering and stock work on my own guns, but that's it. I'm contemplating putting a Model 70 safety on my .375; even though I know I could fit one myself, and I've done it before, it's going to a pro. I'll help a buddy locate a good smith if he needs something done, and give him general advice over the phone, but I don't even have a workbench set up anymore.
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
if you get involved in a lawsuit even if you WIN you still LOSE.I got hit several years ago in Florida,for a bluing job on a shotgun barrel only,person took it home and done something STUPID
had to blame someone else,myself,mossberg,and brownells.My INS. cancelled,money out of pocket to a lawyer,and you can't countersue because they don't have anything.
the guy lived a mile and I knew him,so much for friends.sold my complete system and moved to Texas.urinate on them!!
had to blame someone else,myself,mossberg,and brownells.My INS. cancelled,money out of pocket to a lawyer,and you can't countersue because they don't have anything.
the guy lived a mile and I knew him,so much for friends.sold my complete system and moved to Texas.urinate on them!!
It already is Alex to my understanding....it's called the Constitution of the United States and even beyond that the federal income tax law uses the word "VOLUNTARY"'.
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