Imperial sizing wax? good or not?

[swd]

Bacon grease? ;D

 

[Brians356]

Bacon grease? ;D

That would be a grievous waste of bacon grease.

 

[XTR]

Bacon grease? ;D

That would be a grievous waste of bacon grease.

+1 what he said

 

[jim_k]

Bacon grease? ;D

Try it. Crisco stick, not bacon grease. Natural, non-toxic, cheap. I got the idea from a Vietnam special forces veteran, if that makes it more palatable, or even more tactical. We were eating breakfast after a rifle match, and he mentioned that. Everybody else laughed. I tried it. He is sort of "out of the box." If you're lurking here, "Thanks, Joel."

 

[fredo]

Imperial wax.
Apply to the case with two fingers
Resize the case
Wipe the lube off with an old t-shirt...

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Dont get it on the neck only the body

Dusty,
I have been using a small amount of Imperial sizing wax on my case necks for quite some time and am curious to why you recommend not getting it on the neck.

It dents the shoulders along with not sizing necks and pushing shoulders back consistently. It is a hydraulic force thing up between the neck and shouler/body junction. If youd like to test find you a shoulder datum measuring tool then apply different amounts of lube starting with a swabbed out die. You can vary shoulder setback .003 in one whack.

 

[jonbearman]

I don't even put any on the shoulder at all. Works great and a tiny wipe on the neck inside and out.

 

[Brians356]

apply different amounts of lube starting with a swabbed out die. You can vary shoulder setback .003 in one whack.

Wow. Very hard to believe.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Test it for yourself. Non compressable things do weird stuff when they have nowhere to go

 

[Brians356]

I use so little of it, such a thin film, there's really no bulk to push around.

So what lube is "compressible" and thus does not migrate at all, yet properly lubes the case?

 

[Bob L.]

I've used it for years on 10's of thousands of cases, with no issues.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I use so little of it, such a thin film, there's really no bulk to push around.

So what lube is "compressible" and thus does not migrate at all, yet properly lubes the case?

No lube is or does not. Trick is not to get it up there. Im not a theorist or an arguer its a simple enough test to do for yourself. You just wont see a br shooter lubing necks and shoulders. I gave the reasons why. Its very easy to test for yourself you dont have to take my word for it hell im nobody! I lube tens of thousands of cases in the off season!

 

[Dusty Stevens]

One thing you gotta ask yourself tho is: can i consistently put on a layer of imperial that is say .001 thick? If not then you are varying neck tension and shoulder bump. If theres nothing there then youre not varying anything- thats some food for thought. You dont need lube to bump a shoulder or keep a neck from sticking in a die but you do need it on the body and if it varies a half thou you havent lost accuracy like you would on a neck or shoulder

 

[Cigarcop]

I know when I have a case thats been sized as the rest and the shoulder didn't quite go to where I wanted, I dab a little Imp Wax on the shoulder, run it up and "Wala" right where I need it to be. So I'd have to agree with Dusty

 

[Brians356]

Dusty,

I labored under the misapprehension that you felt only Imperial was a problem on the necks, i.e. that there was a better product which did not suffer from that restriction (did not migrate). I also assumed everyone knew that shoulders don't need (and shouldn't be) lubed, and so I was not thinking of that while commenting.

In a way this points up a possible advantage of Redding S Type Full Length dies, in that there is a small gap between the opening of the neck bushing and the neck/shoulder junction. And especially with the TiN bushings, little or no lube is required on the necks anyway.

But it's hard to imagine myself ever putting enough Imperial on the neck for it to finish up denting a shoulder.

 

[Hopkins]

Was full length resizing some 300 Wby. using RCBS case lube on a pad and it was rough going. I had read a thread somewhere someone extolling the virtues of Bag Balm as a case lube, I had some Udder Ointment in stead and gave it a try. That was 500 or so cases ago. Works much better than RCBS or Hornady case lube on a pad. Apply it with fingertips very thinly.
The primary ingredients are petrolatum and lanolin.

 

[Bob L.]

I misunderstood also. I don't get the lube anywhere near the shoulder.

 

[joshb]

Yes. Best lube ever. Don't use a lot.

 

[mikecr]

I know wax is popular, but I ran into a challenge that took me away from it.
I had a die mismatch with a chamber that left cases stuck in the die & rims ripping off with imperial. I tried RCBS case lube and it at least stopped case sticking. With that I discontinued wax, and looking back, wax never made sense.
RCBS case lube is also an excellent case cleaner & protectant, so I put a few drops in tumbling media now & then.

Anyone can adjust shoulder bumping with lube. I use this to my advantage(instead of adjusting a die/holder for harder cases). Springback varies here & there and another wipe of lube and re-run through the die can gain me .5-1thou by itself quick & easy.
When my cases are new and soft I can use a bit less lube to reduce bumping just the same.

I don't use the RCBS pad. Just a few drops on a shop towel.

 

[Tim s]

Used it for years
Royal case lube from the guys that make wipe out is superior in every way. First, the press handle requires less than 1/2 the force. You need very little. Lastly, it wipes off the cases with a small microfiber towel.
This is all we use with a Harrell's press and a FL die for PPC cases, used only on the case body.