How to Get Permanently Banned from This Forum

[DShortt]

I never thought I would have to explain this in a forum like this...

How can PP ban certain sales?

Let me reframe the situation: Let's say you are an auto mechanic. Some random John Doe brings in a truck wanting the muffler replaced. You take one look at this thing and notice that the frame is broken, the floorboards are rotted out, the steering is hanging on by a thread, the electrical hanging under the truck looks like a 3 year old was assembling it and the front suspension is literally held together with duct tape.

You quickly assess that the truck is a death trap and tell the owner that it needs a lot more than a muffler.

If the owner says, "No, just replace the muffler!"

Should you be required to do that work, knowing that you have linked yourself to some level of legal liability for that truck?

I know the internet lawyers will object, but the point is that the legal system is a lose-lose system. If you get sued, even frivolously, by someone without significant monetary means, you are going to spend a lot of your own money defending yourself and never recover those costs.

Don't think it's possible? My family business was sued back in the 90's for failing to steal an airplane (yes that's a serious crime) in order to prevent it from being flown without the required inspections completed, which were the responsibility of the owner/operator. In the end we "won", but it cost us and our insurance company over a quarter million dollars in legal costs.

Back to PP - If they don't like the potential liability of engaging in certain business transactions, they have the option of not doing that business.

I'm not advocating de-banking or any of the other political tom-foolery that has been occurring, just pointing out that they do incur risk with their business and currently don't seem to want the risk involved with firearms.

I personally try to vote with my dollars. If their business doesn't want mine, I try to avoid helping them financially if at all possible.

Your last paragraph is the one I consider the most important.

 

[DShortt]

To my knowledge, PP isn’t restricting who can use their service, only what it can be used to procure. Same as Walmart can choose what/whose products to retail. Didn't Walmart recently elect to discontinue selling firearms?

To my knowledge, PP isn’t restricting who can use their service, only what it can be used to procure. Same as Walmart can choose what/whose products to retail. Didn't Walmart recently elect to discontinue selling firearms?

Local Walmart is full of firearms. Perhaps you have confused them with Dick's Sporting Goods?
No, that name is not fabricated. Perhaps fitting, however.

 

[jelenko]

To my knowledge, PP isn’t restricting who can use their service, only what it can be used to procure. Same as Walmart can choose what/whose products to retail. Didn't Walmart recently elect to discontinue selling firearms?

Right. Good point.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

To my knowledge, PP isn’t restricting who can use their service, only what it can be used to procure. Same as Walmart can choose what/whose products to retail. Didn't Walmart recently elect to discontinue selling firearms?

Somehow I feel more threatened by other online services. I just paid my P.O. box and the USPS sent me to a 3rd party site, because my guess is they don't want to take the responsibility of taking credit card info.

3 days ago, I got a notice from Ticketmaster, who I haven't purchased tickets from for at least 15 years, they were breached and they had me in their database.

So here we are, nobody wants to take responsibility, but just about ever vendor likes to have the money transferred so they get the $$$s immediately.

I don't feel threatened by PP, no matter what their policy. I have purchased old cars out of state and used PP and paid the fees so it didn't cost the seller a penny. Both of us were happy in the end. I hired a freight company to pick it up from the seller and haul it out to me. If you pay the 3%, they will cover the purchase if it doesn't show up. I paid $8500 for a 1946 Chevy pickup out of MO. It basically cost me $250 for that assurance. I thought it was more than worth it. If you use friends and family transfers, you don't get any coverage. I suspect that is what the Forum Boss frowned on.

Forum Boss: It's more than just no "coverage" for Friends and Family. PayPal's F&F is NEVER allowed for ANY SALES of ANYTHING. It is NEVER EVER to be used for sales transactions.

With that said, I don't buy any receivers/actions or ammo online, I mostly buy bullets and accessories, so I don't know if those are categorized as 2A products or not to be honest. I have plenty of powder and primers, and bullets at this point. All of my 2A memberships are done online. I don't think they are looking for people like me, but could be wrong.