How to Get Permanently Banned from This Forum
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L.Sherm
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I get that but there was idiots before all this electronic stuff, I just choose not to participate, got burned few times with PayPal and couple other electronic stuff so I pretty much stopped it all, now no troubles.
Murray Brook
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Guy's explain me this. How does PP get to pick and choose who can use their company. I could see if there was something illegal . Other companies such as WalMart can't decide who they will serve and who they won't. I can't see how PP gets to do this.
LVLAaron
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The same way forum boss gets to pick and choose what he allows here.
If you read the PP rules and think wide brush strokes: Use PP to buy or rent an old classic B&W crime movie, it has a scene with a gun, they could empty your bank account and being based offshore…keep unlimited $ over a $3.99 movie.
It appears to me as they are just waiting for opportunities to seize money.
I use a separate bank account for PP, fund it each purchase and never use it for anything very expensive.
It appears to me as they are just waiting for opportunities to seize money.
I use a separate bank account for PP, fund it each purchase and never use it for anything very expensive.
Murray Brook
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I understand that they do it. Just how do they get away with it. Could any major store in the US legally refuse to serve Republicans or any other people that they don't approve off. Just asking. Would it be legal for Master Card to not serve anyone that drives a Ford or something else that is legal but they don't approve off.
joshb
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“I understand that they do it. Just how do they get away with it?”
Nobody in this current administration will stop any anti gun issue. We’re fighting in Delaware for our gun rights, even tho it’s against the State Constitution and the 2nd amendment. It would not be wise to walk down a street with an AR here, thinking you have a “right” to do so.
Nobody in this current administration will stop any anti gun issue. We’re fighting in Delaware for our gun rights, even tho it’s against the State Constitution and the 2nd amendment. It would not be wise to walk down a street with an AR here, thinking you have a “right” to do so.
Mark W
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I don’t have an issue with ”electronic stuff”. I do have a major issue with companies trying to circumvent our second amendment right.
jelenko
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Yeah. I thought there was something about being a public service that means you can't discriminate.
No, that's quite different as Accurate Shooter is a private forum that you must register for.
You are not required to pay using PP to anywhere that I know of. I happen to like and prefer PP, but at some point I need to rely on some of the vendors I do business with, such as Brownells, MidwayUSA, Sportsman's Warehouse, etc...if I use PP I may be subject to the same deceptive reporting, and that goes for FedEx, UPS, USPS, Amazon, etc...
Anyway, I see these cases as being different than Accurate Shooter.
Emmett Dibble
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I hate to play devils advocate, but if you can't argue a position from both sides you generally don't understand it.
One of the gun clubs I belong to (3K members, not small) has used PP for YEARS to process dues. Obviously PP knows what the club is and what they are being used for.
I believe PP's 2A rules are strictly a liability stance. That is why serialized (the gun) parts and ammunition (components sound/look like ammo to the uninitiated) are prohibited. They feel it exposes them to a certain amount of liability which they don't care for. 2A related products, much less and are OK because at the end of the day they are in business to be in business. It's their sand box, play by their rules or go home.
I know there are plenty of ya'll out there that refuse to hear the other side of any argument that goes against your "feelings" or beliefs. I am sorry. PP my not be 2A friendly but they are far from 2A abolitionists.
This is all IMHO and YMMV and not aimed at anyone in particular. If you feel it is, feel free to lace that boot up and walk around in it. It is fact though.
One of the gun clubs I belong to (3K members, not small) has used PP for YEARS to process dues. Obviously PP knows what the club is and what they are being used for.
I believe PP's 2A rules are strictly a liability stance. That is why serialized (the gun) parts and ammunition (components sound/look like ammo to the uninitiated) are prohibited. They feel it exposes them to a certain amount of liability which they don't care for. 2A related products, much less and are OK because at the end of the day they are in business to be in business. It's their sand box, play by their rules or go home.
I know there are plenty of ya'll out there that refuse to hear the other side of any argument that goes against your "feelings" or beliefs. I am sorry. PP my not be 2A friendly but they are far from 2A abolitionists.
This is all IMHO and YMMV and not aimed at anyone in particular. If you feel it is, feel free to lace that boot up and walk around in it. It is fact though.
jxb
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Agreed, been using PP since the beginning and there's nothing about it I've ever seen that's anti-gun. Some with control might be but at the end of the day they are running a business and business is business. They don't discriminate against anyone, just like all things we deal with there's rules we need to abide by, them as a private business get to set rules that public places cannot but it's optional for the user. They can either follow the rules or go elsewhere. This is no different than the rules to drive on our roads, you either follow the rules or you can't legally drive. Simple as that.
DShortt
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Please expound on this statement. Because the upshot of this is...... contradictory.
To elaborate on my point. Taking issue with using a payment platform because that platform might refuse to do business with a platform even though the second platform engages in activities and discussions the first platform does not condone?
That's........ interesting.
I've formed an opinion of PayPal. I'll not mention it here because it won't be well received I suspect. Particularly if your point is accurate.
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L.Sherm
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I dont pay my dues with PP, its impossible for me to because I haven't had a PP acct for atleast 3 years.
Forum Boss: It is absolutely NOT necessary to have a PayPal account to use PayPal to process the upgrade. PP simply processes a credit card Nna “proceed as guest” basis.
Members can also write a check,
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XTR
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Actually they can. The federal law prohibits discrimination based on race, religion, sex, and a SCOTUS decision in the last decade or so extended that to sexual orientation. No mention of political affiliation. That was actually demonstrated when some restaurant refused to serve someone in the last Trump administration.
Keith Glasscock
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I never thought I would have to explain this in a forum like this...
How can PP ban certain sales?
Let me reframe the situation: Let's say you are an auto mechanic. Some random John Doe brings in a truck wanting the muffler replaced. You take one look at this thing and notice that the frame is broken, the floorboards are rotted out, the steering is hanging on by a thread, the electrical hanging under the truck looks like a 3 year old was assembling it and the front suspension is literally held together with duct tape.
You quickly assess that the truck is a death trap and tell the owner that it needs a lot more than a muffler.
If the owner says, "No, just replace the muffler!"
Should you be required to do that work, knowing that you have linked yourself to some level of legal liability for that truck?
I know the internet lawyers will object, but the point is that the legal system is a lose-lose system. If you get sued, even frivolously, by someone without significant monetary means, you are going to spend a lot of your own money defending yourself and never recover those costs.
Don't think it's possible? My family business was sued back in the 90's for failing to steal an airplane (yes that's a serious crime) in order to prevent it from being flown without the required inspections completed, which were the responsibility of the owner/operator. In the end we "won", but it cost us and our insurance company over a quarter million dollars in legal costs.
Back to PP - If they don't like the potential liability of engaging in certain business transactions, they have the option of not doing that business.
I'm not advocating de-banking or any of the other political tom-foolery that has been occurring, just pointing out that they do incur risk with their business and currently don't seem to want the risk involved with firearms.
I personally try to vote with my dollars. If their business doesn't want mine, I try to avoid helping them financially if at all possible.
How can PP ban certain sales?
Let me reframe the situation: Let's say you are an auto mechanic. Some random John Doe brings in a truck wanting the muffler replaced. You take one look at this thing and notice that the frame is broken, the floorboards are rotted out, the steering is hanging on by a thread, the electrical hanging under the truck looks like a 3 year old was assembling it and the front suspension is literally held together with duct tape.
You quickly assess that the truck is a death trap and tell the owner that it needs a lot more than a muffler.
If the owner says, "No, just replace the muffler!"
Should you be required to do that work, knowing that you have linked yourself to some level of legal liability for that truck?
I know the internet lawyers will object, but the point is that the legal system is a lose-lose system. If you get sued, even frivolously, by someone without significant monetary means, you are going to spend a lot of your own money defending yourself and never recover those costs.
Don't think it's possible? My family business was sued back in the 90's for failing to steal an airplane (yes that's a serious crime) in order to prevent it from being flown without the required inspections completed, which were the responsibility of the owner/operator. In the end we "won", but it cost us and our insurance company over a quarter million dollars in legal costs.
Back to PP - If they don't like the potential liability of engaging in certain business transactions, they have the option of not doing that business.
I'm not advocating de-banking or any of the other political tom-foolery that has been occurring, just pointing out that they do incur risk with their business and currently don't seem to want the risk involved with firearms.
I personally try to vote with my dollars. If their business doesn't want mine, I try to avoid helping them financially if at all possible.
rwj
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To my knowledge, PP isn’t restricting who can use their service, only what it can be used to procure. Same as Walmart can choose what/whose products to retail. Didn't Walmart recently elect to discontinue selling firearms?
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