Gentlemen, I present... the ".220 REDLINE"

[long40shot]

I think you have a bunch of wasted space, something a smaller case could do with the right powder..


Ray

This guy. ..

 

[Hydenseek]

This is cool!

 

[fredo]

I think you have a bunch of wasted space, something a smaller case could do with the right powder..


Ray

Sir, if you feel that >98% case fill and 100% propellant burn from my chosen powders is a "bunch of wasted space", I'll be happy to follow the thread you start about the wildcat you're developing with the "right powder" that'll do what the REDLINE is gonna do...

Feel free to add a hotlink here, in my thread, to your own wildcat thread! I for sure would like to see how a smaller case, running a faster burn powder is going to match the REDLINE in both performance, and barrel longevity.

You might re-read page one & note that one of the reasons for going with massive case capacity was to allow the use of slow ('cool') burn powders in hopes of extending barrel life to a justifiable number. That said, by your assumption of "wasted space", you're advocating to run a smaller case with faster burn powder? Of course you know that you'd hafta operate at a higher case pressure to match the performance of a larger case/slow burn powder?

If you're NOT building your own wildcat, then would you be so kind as to share what cartridge(s) you've loaded for that might be less "wasteful" yet yields the same level of performance?

 

[357Mag]

Fredo -

Howdy !

Great work, Fredo! Keep goin’ !

Lot’s to be learned, here.

Probably my favorite post to follow.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[Raythemanroe]

Sir, if you feel that >98% case fill and 100% propellant burn from my chosen powders is a "bunch of wasted space", I'll be happy to follow the thread you start about the wildcat you're developing with the "right powder" that'll do what the REDLINE is gonna do...

Feel free to add a hotlink here, in my thread, to your own wildcat thread! I for sure would like to see how a smaller case, running a faster burn powder is going to match the REDLINE in both performance, and barrel longevity.

You might re-read page one & note that one of the reasons for going with massive case capacity was to allow the use of slow ('cool') burn powders in hopes of extending barrel life to a justifiable number. That said, by your assumption of "wasted space", you're advocating to run a smaller case with faster burn powder? Of course you know that you'd hafta operate at a higher case pressure to match the performance of a larger case/slow burn powder?

If you're NOT building your own wildcat, then would you be so kind as to share what cartridge(s) you've loaded for that might be less "wasteful" yet yields the same level of performance?

I didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch, just an experienced observation.. Although I still stand by my statement and I don't think because you start a thread that allows you to dictate others..

Ray

 

[snert]

I didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch, just an experienced observation.. Although I still stand by my statement and I don't think because you start a thread that allows you to dictate others..

Ray

Ray

I know Fredo personally, and i have had good conversations with you as well over the years. For the record, he ain't dictating to you, and he is a fair minded, humble fellow who is a lot of fun while being serious, if you get my drift. It is late winter mud season in NY. Time to get outside and blow the stink off as my dear mom used to say.
I am really enjoying his efforts, his observations and his willingness to FUND his toy (that I plan to shoot!) while telling us about his trip down a road less traveled. So give it a rest.

Snert

 

[Mark W]

I didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch, just an experienced observation.. Although I still stand by my statement and I don't think because you start a thread that allows you to dictate others..

Ray

Hmm... Too bad we don’t have a dislike button !

 

[fredo]

I didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch, just an experienced observation.. Although I still stand by my statement and I don't think because you start a thread that allows you to dictate others..

Ray

Sir,

LOL, for sliding in, taking a dump in the middle of this thread with ZERO supporting evidence, then 'dark-manning' out the back door while firing the proverbial "panties in a wad" internet cliche to cover your tracks...

Sorry Sir, not letting ya off the hook that easy!

If you've got "experienced observations", how bout ya share them with EVERYONE reading along? Beyond the enjoyment factor, I'm here to learn as well as share. That's how forums work...

This thread has upwards of 16,000 views, so here's a wonderful opportunity for everyone following along to learn something from you!

After all, Accurate Shooter is a GREAT forum for information exchange! Members disagree all the time, and that happens to be a major catalyst for discussion and subsequent knowledge sharing. So, I'm perfectly fine disagreeing with your statement, if it means learning something along the way. If there's a 'better mousetrap' I wanna know about!

That all said, if your initial post had even an iota of experience/data, or other qualifying content, I would not have reacted like you just pooped on my rug...

No worries here, really. But I would sure appreciate you qualifying your "wasted space" opinion with some tangible info? And safe to assume, those following along, may as well?

Like I said, I'm here to learn, same as everyone! So don't just dangle your carrot of "experienced observations" in front of us, then walk away with it. That's off-puttin'...

Apologize for the "start your own thread" remarks, that was a knee-jerk to you poopin' on the floor. All cleaned up now & no harm done. So, by all means...feel free to hijack with all the knowledge you care to share!

Specifically, how does a smaller case match/ beat a larger one with regard to muzzle velocity, without an associated pressure penalty and reduction in usable barrel life?

Parallel question, if increased case capacity is utilized to employ slower burn powder to net a given velocity, at a savings of throat/barrel life, how does that qualify as "wasted space"?

Looking forward to your reply, thank you!

 

[Raythemanroe]

Sir,

LOL, for sliding in, taking a dump in the middle of this thread with ZERO supporting evidence, then 'dark-manning' out the back door while firing the proverbial "panties in a wad" internet cliche to cover your tracks...

Sorry Sir, not letting ya off the hook that easy!

If you've got "experienced observations", how bout ya share them with EVERYONE reading along? Beyond the enjoyment factor, I'm here to learn as well as share. That's how forums work...

This thread has upwards of 16,000 views, so here's a wonderful opportunity for everyone following along to learn something from you!

After all, Accurate Shooter is a GREAT forum for information exchange! Members disagree all the time, and that happens to be a major catalyst for discussion and subsequent knowledge sharing. So, I'm perfectly fine disagreeing with your statement, if it means learning something along the way. If there's a 'better mousetrap' I wanna know about!

That all said, if your initial post had even an iota of experience/data, or other qualifying content, I would not have reacted like you just pooped on my rug...

No worries here, really. But I would sure appreciate you qualifying your "wasted space" opinion with some tangible info? And safe to assume, those following along, may as well?

Like I said, I'm here to learn, same as everyone! So don't just dangle your carrot of "experienced observations" in front of us, then walk away with it. That's off-puttin'...

Apologize for the "start your own thread" remarks, that was a knee-jerk to you poopin' on the floor. All cleaned up now & no harm done. So, by all means...feel free to hijack with all the knowledge you care to share!

Specifically, how does a smaller case match/ beat a larger one with regard to muzzle velocity, without an associated pressure penalty and reduction in usable barrel life?

Parallel question, if increased case capacity is utilized to employ slower burn powder to net a given velocity, at a savings of throat/barrel life, how does that qualify as "wasted space"?

Looking forward to your reply, thank you!

20BR, 20-250, 204 Ruger and dump respectively if that is okay with your thread rules..

I feel my post said exactly what it was meant to say, wasted space a lot like your "poop" post.. I guess this is my fault.. I should have praised your work and kissed your hand ..

Ray

 

[fredo]

20BR, 20-250, 204 Ruger and dump respectively if that is okay with your thread rules..

Ray

No rules, you have the floor!

Would you be so kind as to explain how .20 caliber cartridges relate to a .224 caliber cartridge with 71grains of case capacity?

Here your big chance to enlighten everyone!
Are you really gonna squander it with a dismissive comment about .20cals, again with zero supporting statements???

Or, are dismissive comments with veiled "knowledge" as a foundation for them your forum MO?

This ain't twitter...you can type more than two sentences

 

[Raythemanroe]

I don't believe in your hotrod theory, don't care to argue your case for you.. You don't need me to know the "Red line" is approaching the red line.. Maybe you do..

Would have been better off making it a 6mm rather than a .22. - Could have shot mid-weight bullets in a 9" twist & got the "magic" 4000 fps you waste your time with..

Good luck

Ray

 

[Shoebox]

Fredo
I'm learning heaps
A .204 can drive a 75 grn bullet at 3900+
220 redline indicates redline
Wildcatting has no value
.243 makes a better 22 that a .224
And higher velocity has no value in trajectory or energy
20br or 20-250 aren't wildcats
And you must not have thought this out. Doing what you want is waisting your time.
Here i was thinking the only way to advance was to try something new.
I'll bet all you wildcatters feel silly now !

 

[Lone Hunter]

Hmm... Too bad we don’t have a dislike button !

There is. It's called an ignore button. I like to hear different views so you can see different sides. Unless you experiment things will stay the same. I like different things, especially Guns and Ammo... Keep going Fredo...

 

[Raythemanroe]

There they go again.. I repeat for the peanut gallery, wasted space..


Ray

 

[snert]

Time to move on to a different thread Ray. Three chances to support your argument, no support offered.

Not saying you are not right...just saying you have said he is wasting space. He has asked you to quantify that, but you have not.

I am interested in seeing where he goes with this, KNOWING it is in fact on the upper limits of reasonable. I sort of view this like a Kieth Black Hemi...of course the Mopar Street Hemi was awesome, as was the race Hemi..but had Keith not done all that "extra" work we would not have cars running under 8 seconds...

Well under 8 seconds...

Sally forth my good Fredo.

 

[284winner]

Time to move on to a different thread Ray. Three chances to support your argument, no support offered.

Not saying you are not right...just saying you have said he is wasting space. He has asked you to quantify that, but you have not.

I am interested in seeing where he goes with this, KNOWING it is in fact on the upper limits of reasonable. I sort of view this like a Kieth Black Hemi...of course the Mopar Street Hemi was awesome, as was the race Hemi..but had Keith not done all that "extra" work we would not have cars running under 8 seconds...

Well under 8 seconds...

Sally forth my good Fredo.

Snert, it's gonna change this entire conversation but waaaaay back in time, I had a 71 Hemi Challenger. Believe me it was no 8 second car. Eleven was easy some days at he strip but rarely. Sure miss that car. You just rekindled an old memory that were the best of my race car years. Thanks. John

 

[snert]

Snert, it's gonna change this entire conversation but waaaaay back in time, I had a 71 Hemi Challenger. Believe me it was no 8 second car. Eleven was easy some days at he strip but rarely. Sure miss that car. You just rekindled an old memory that were the best of my race car years. Thanks. John

Go buy a Demon.

It Ain't 1971 anymore, and what we knew back then about motors (and cartridges) has changed with variable cam timing (and bullets, powder, better brass) CNC'd heads, computer designed intakes, (better barrels with faster twists and better bullets...did I mention powders?) and some awesome engineering. Glad we did not quit wen the Pinto replaced the Boss 302 Mustang and the K car replaced the Hemi Cuda.

Just saying

 

[284winner]

Go buy a Demon.

It Ain't 1971 anymore, and what we knew back then about motors (and cartridges) has changed with variable cam timing (and bullets, powder, better brass) CNC'd heads, computer designed intakes, (better barrels with faster twists and better bullets...did I mention powders?) and some awesome engineering. Glad we did not quit wen the Pinto replaced the Boss 302 Mustang and the K car replaced the Hemi Cuda.

Just saying

Definitely no comparison today in over all performance BUT today's muscle isn't even close to the 426s true engine muscle. The new motors have gained efficiency and the cars much better over all handling and drivability. Don't miss any of the vehicles lack of drivability vs today's newest offerings but much of the old muscle car nostalgia is gone but not forgotten. I've since been in the newest 6.4 Hemi cars and tho they do run, it's a different performance. One that's very impressive but different. It's a welcome difference for sure. The Hellcat and Demon are two breeds that are in a class of there own for sure. I'll end this discussion as I'm certain it's not welcome in the forum. Thanks

 

[snert]

Definitely no comparison today in over all performance BUT today's muscle isn't even close to the 426s true engine muscle. The new motors have gained efficiency and the cars much better over all handling and drivability. Don't miss any of the vehicles lack of drivability vs today's newest offerings but much of the old muscle car nostalgia is gone but not forgotten. I've since been in the newest 6.4 Hemi cars and tho they do run, it's a different performance. One that's very impressive but different. It's a welcome difference for sure. The Hellcat and Demon are two breeds that are in a class of there own for sure. I'll end this discussion as I'm certain it's not welcome in the forum. Thanks

I agree...another time and place....but I too miss strapping into an overgrown go-kart with 400 hp V8 and a four speed on crappy tires!

 

[fredo]

There they go again.. I repeat for the peanut gallery, wasted space..


Ray

Reckon there's gotta be "one" in every crowd?

Ray, please PM me your shipping address and t-shirt size, I'd like to send you one of these...