Five Things You Do Not Know About Sniper Rifles

[Bart B.]

Can't say as I can agree with the info from the military guys on precision shooting as they don't even load there own ammo or tune the load to the gun there shooting, But they do have an abundance of ammo so sooner or later they will hit it.

I wonder why those military teams hand loaded match ammo for their match grade service rifles and bolt guns winning matches and setting records civvies shooting their stuff couldn't equal?

Arsenal match ammo never cut their mustard unless they replaced an arsenal lot of M118 with 3 or 4 different lots of so-so 173's with tack driving Sierra's from a single lot. That ammo was called Mexican Match as the 1968 US Olympic team used it in the 300 meter free rifle matches in Mexico that year. It shot about 2/3 MOA at 600 whereas M118 shot about 2 MOA if a good lot.

Their rifles were good enough to shoot the same lot of hand loads in all of them winning and record setting.

Note that Sierra Bullets developed their first 30 caliber hollow point match bullet for the US Army International Rifle Team in 1958 to handload for their free rifles. Then they sold it to civilians as the 168-grain International.

 

[msinc]

It's bad how many people claim to be some kind of sniper, usually a Marine....I was talking to a retired Command Master Chief several years ago and he said, "fewer than 90 U.S. Navy seals served in Vietnam, and I have met all 42,000 of them!!!"
I have a nephew that was a real live honest to god 0317. He did a tour in Ramadi as regular infantry, he went back as a sniper to Fallujah and then went to Afghanistan. After two tours he tried to re-enlist and stay for the 20 and they told him they no longer needed snipers. He tried to switch his MOS to something they needed and was told no. He's back in Iraq working for some contractor.
Because so many people claim to be a Marine sniper I usually don't even bother to tell anyone about him. Either I have to listen to how they did it all or I get that "sure he is" look because they just heard it all from the last guy. Ridiculous.
One thing I can comfortably say...he is NOT one of the guys that shows up at your local gun club and cannot shoot.

 

[Downhill]

Awe man! Mexican Match! You just reminded me of my age! When I first started competitive shooting and didn't have 2 spare nickels to rub together I used to make mexican match. Would take enough M2 ball for a match pull the bullets, divide the powder into equal charges then seat a Sierra match bullet. My old 1903A3 loved it.

 

[Intheshop]

Probably shouldn't respond,oh well.

I had a guy working for us a cpl years ago that was/is an honest to goodness Army sniper.Didn't want to dredge up too much,asking dumba$$ questions.But he couldn't seem to express enough that their "accuracy" training was but a small part of the larger picture.To the point,that it wasn't what most guys failed at making the cut in school.His shooting,could be described as,middle of the pack.Invisibility he said was up near the top.

 

[JLT]

Probably shouldn't respond,oh well.

I had a guy working for us a cpl years ago that was/is an honest to goodness Army sniper.Didn't want to dredge up too much,asking dumba$$ questions.But he couldn't seem to express enough that their "accuracy" training was but a small part of the larger picture.To the point,that it wasn't what most guys failed at making the cut in school.His shooting,could be described as,middle of the pack.Invisibility he said was up near the top.

Word.

 

[rudysts]

About 4 years ago I was at a shooting range on a military base when I met a young man in his late 20s shooting a 6.5x47. I had never seen one before so I was really intrigued by it so I asked more questions about the cartridge. as it turned out we became good friends about 6 months into this friendship I asked him what was his job he said he was 11B (infantry). so one day we go out to the mountains to do some long range shooting and he brings a spotting scope with mil dots and some targets we set it out at unknown distances and he goes to work on ranging it with the spotter. then he looks at me and asked what weight bullet I was shooting and at what velocity and zero so I provide that info and he tells me to dial up so much for the first target, I looked at him and said really he replied I'm just gonna get you on target and we will go from there. so I chamber a round and he said send it so I squeeze the trigger and he tells me hit. I was amazed not that I hit the target but with the calculations he did to convert mils to moa and to tell me my come ups with only the weight, velocity , and zero. as it turned out he was and still is a sniper in the Army.

God bless them all for the work they do and countless lives they save on the battle field providing over watch.

 

[4xforfun]

 

[6MMsteve]

Do you think that you represent the only precision shooters in the world.

If you were dropped in a strange place, with no sighters, no bench with seat, with no roof over you, no front tripod, no rear heavy sand bag, and no field of 10,000 spinning yellow wind flags, and given a target at...

... whoops, I don't know how far, but you have to figure it out and try to get the wind right, without flags or sighterrs, hit it with the first (and only) shot...

I think you would fail miserably, and come home in a body bag.

I shot with some guys that shoot PRS I was impressed by there dialing in abilities, but I could have took them out on paper very easy

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

First focal plane scopes are a big deal when it comes to ranging on the fly.

 

[dmoran]

@6MMsteve
Just a heads-up:
This is a +2-year old thread. Catshooter (who you quoted) made that reply back in Jan 2015. Also he has been banned from this forum for bad behavior. He also has a few alias usernames as well (XBR Shooter, Woodchuck Whacker) he used in attempts to get back on.
Donovan

 

[dedogs]

he has been banned from this forum

And he is sorely missed by some. (I believe we all have warts of some kind...doesn't mean we shouldn't be seen in public). dedogs

 

[6MMsteve]

@6MMsteve
Just a heads-up:
This is a +2-year old thread. Catshooter (who you quoted) made that reply back in Jan 2015. Also he has been banned from this forum for bad behavior. He also has a few alias usernames as well (XBR Shooter, Woodchuck Whacker) he used in attempts to get back on.
Donovan

oh yes he is on Long Range Hunting also, He is a ________ I got into it with him the other day over something stupid or he told me that I was stupid or something I already knew that.lol

 

[msinc]

oh yes he is on Long Range Hunting also, He is a ________ I got into it with him the other day over something stupid or he told me that I was stupid or something I already knew that.lol

Is he the same guy that told everyone he wrote the third most important paper about eyeglass repair??? Some kind of half optometrist or something??? Yep, he is a real professional, registered jerk. Got the papers to prove it. He was on predatormasters too and got banned there. It's one thing to speak your mind and disagree, sometimes you can learn something by looking at things differently, but that dude fought everything and everybody.

 

[Richard Coody]

Now that is funny no matter who you are

 

[dedogs]

sometimes you can learn something by looking at things differently

If you listened to what Catshooter had to say and not how he said it, you could learn a LOT from him. He had very little patience for people who posted mis-information. I know... I was one of his "victims". But the information I gave was wrong and he called me on it. I have no problem with that. But then my ego isn't as big as some on here and other sites. I come here to learn and I don't care who I learn from. dedogs

 

[msinc]

If you listened to what Catshooter had to say and not how he said it, you could learn a LOT from him. He had very little patience for people who posted mis-information. I know... I was one of his "victims". But the information I gave was wrong and he called me on it. I have no problem with that. But then my ego isn't as big as some on here and other sites. I come here to learn and I don't care who I learn from. dedogs

Well, that seems to be the problem isn't it??? You couldn't just listen to what he said unless you swallowed how he said it. He had another problem and it was his biggest one, the one that got him banned again and again from everywhere...he couldn't stand it when he got called out on something.
Maybe I am mistaken and have the wrong guy, but I would be ashamed to brag about being third best at anything. I'll grant you one thing...your hero for sure thought he knew all there was to know about all there was to know.

 

[dedogs]

he knew all there was to know about all there was to know

Not really. But he sure knows more than you probably ever will. You sound like one of those big egos I referred to. Catshooter is not my hero, he's just a guy that helped me out with some re-loading issues. He's VERY knowledgeable on the subject. dedogs

 

[msinc]

......he sure knows more than you probably ever will.........He's VERY knowledgeable on the subject. dedogs

Especially when it comes to getting thrown off a forum. Wonder how many its been so far.

 

[people]

If you listened to what Catshooter had to say and not how he said it, you could learn a LOT from him. He had very little patience for people who posted mis-information. I know... I was one of his "victims". But the information I gave was wrong and he called me on it. I have no problem with that. But then my ego isn't as big as some on here and other sites. I come here to learn and I don't care who I learn from. dedogs

He was wrong sometimes. He also tried to correct me with wrong information. It was like talking to a wall.

 

[snert]

Well amazing thing is the guy is not here and this thread went south at just the mention of his name! Can we get back to the OP?

I would like to know the eleventh thing I did not know about sniper rifles. Just sayin