Factory Rifle Accuracy

[Hippy]

I have had just about every small caliber 17 MK through 6mm Remington and the Most accurate CONSISTENTLY were the two Remington XR-100 204 Ruger--The 1st was purchased when 204 Brass was like "Hen'sTeeth" it would shoot either 29 Sierras or 40 V Max less that .3 rechambered to 20 Practical and the accuracy never changed . After it was stolen I purchased another and it too will shoot BUTT only the 39 BT as the V-Max just does not quite like the 12 twist . I posted pictures a while bac of several 3 shot groups consisting of H-4895 -7 1/2 Winchester brass with various amounts of H-4895, The only other calibers that would shoot like this were a 222 40 XBBR and the 6 BR/Dasher

Good Luck
Jim

 

[Damon555]

I have no doubt your rifles shoot as well as you say FJIM.......but the average Joe out there shooting the "cheapest, most accurate factory rifle/scope combo for the money shooting factory ammo into a half inch all day long" is much more rare than the guys at "The Hide" or places like AR15.com would have you believe.

We've all had cheap rifles that shot better than they should.....but the group of guys here is far more adept at coaxing that kind of accuracy from average quality equipment than our tacti-cool friends who linger on every forum just waiting to tout their 1/4" M4's.

 

[mensajd]

Bought an inexpensive Savage M25-T varmint gun in 204R. Bore sighted the gun but first time to the range I couldn't dial down enough elevation to get to zero. Workmanship on the rifle looked OK to good other than this issue. Shimmed the scope and shot this with factory ammo. Despite the teething issues, this average, random factory gun shoots much better than I expected. With 39gr sierras and 8208 I've managed to do slightly better - but only slightly!

 

[Peebles24]

I have had many a factory rifle i could 3 shot group at 1 MOA or better, best was a savage fp110 .223 back in the mid 90s that would shoot 1/6th moa 3 shot at 300 yard. My current factory savage 12 LRP 6.5 creedmoor i shot a 1/3 MOA group at 200 with. I then took it to a competition and best group was at 500 yard and over 1 MOA, but that was 22 shot group. I think it all depends on what you are doing with the rifle.

 

[spencerhenry]

I have seen a few factory rifles in big game calibers shoot under an inch, I have seen manly more shoot 1.25 to 1.5".

Kimber 8400 I had would not ever, no matter how many bullets, powders, primers, brass prep, or any other attempt tried, shoot under 1.5" at 100yds for a 5 shot group. I sold it. I had one load each of 7 different powder charges left over, I ran those 7 through the CZ model 3 i bought to replace it, all 7 of those different loads grouped better than the best group with any load in the kimber.

Many of my friends do not handload, they have never shown me a group under 1.5", most are in the 2.25 to 3" range at 100 yards.

I have a few that shoot under 1" consistently, 3 coopers, an armalite, two 700pss, and a winchester range in 270.

I always hope for under .75", if I can get under an inch with a big game rifle I am happy.

 

[Bc'z]

I have seen a few factory rifles in big game calibers shoot under an inch, I have seen manly more shoot 1.25 to 1.5".

Kimber 8400 I had would not ever, no matter how many bullets, powders, primers, brass prep, or any other attempt tried, shoot under 1.5" at 100yds for a 5 shot group. I sold it. I had one load each of 7 different powder charges left over, I ran those 7 through the CZ model 3 i bought to replace it, all 7 of those different loads grouped better than the best group with any load in the kimber.

Many of my friends do not handload, they have never shown me a group under 1.5", most are in the 2.25 to 3" range at 100 yards.

I have a few that shoot under 1" consistently, 3 coopers, an armalite, two 700pss, and a winchester range in 270.

I always hope for under .75", if I can get under an inch with a big game rifle I am happy.

And I thought the kimber advertised sum moa.

 

[Frankr]

Yea I have heard quite a few dissatisfied Kimber owners. A few I know personally and yea their rifle shoots like crap.
I have a 8400 .270 shoots in a hole. I had a classic select 8400 in 300 WSM and it shot in a hole. I have a Hunter 84L in 280AI and it shoots in a hole...All three of my Kimber's shoot as well as any custom skinny barrel custom would. I like The Kimber Rifles. I may buy another one and put a custom barrel on it in the caliber and length I want. I talked to my Smith and he said he has no problem putting a barrel on a Kimber action. He said it has been one of the better action's he has checked.

 

[Frankr]

Well I am going to end in saying myself and several good friends of mine have had factory rifles since the age of 12 Years old to now 53 years old and most of them would shoot with a good handload well under 1" at 100 yards to even under .5" and some of them rifle's you would need a good custom to out shoot them and even then it wasn't buy much...I would say between us that has been hundreds of rifle's and there has been a few that would just not shoot at all and actually two I remember most was one very expensive Kimber special edition I could not get better than two inches out of it. I should have kept it and put a barrel on it but I was pissed off and traded it in. One Winchester model 70 shot like 3" on a good day. But yea most of them shot very well.. My buddy has a Ruger American 22/250 and it does piss me off to see him shoot three shots in a hole at 200 yards and then oh my god two more for a 5 shot group of .500'' at 200 yards from a factory sporter barrel ...Yea it does burn my ass..But he can shoot. on more than one occasion I have had to break out a custom BR rifle to out shoot something he had in a Savage or Ruger.

 

[bigstick6017555]

For me personally, after load workup, i believe in keeping a running aggregate on all the guns i shoot, mainly bench guns. I shoot all 5 shot groups, in all conditions. This proves to me what i and or the gun are capable of, it also sometimes gives an early warning when things start going south. A small group here or there does not prove what i or the gun is consistently capable of, the aggregate tells the whole story. A long time ago i shot a half inch 3 shot group at 75 yds. with a 35 Remington pump and open sights. That was 50 yrs. ago and never came any where near close again, just making a point

 

[6MMsteve]

I have a 243....783 rem that shoots about .750 to 1.5 inch pretty regular I'm very happy with that, can bust a rock at 300yds so I say it's good lol

 

[spencerhenry]

I have had a few rifles that I could never get to shoot. Usually they go away. Most often, with load development, if it is going to shoot I can find a load pretty quickly. On rare occassions it takes a lot of load development to get what I am looking for. So, if it is a factory rifle and I can't find a load it likes after testing 2 or 3 powders with a bullet I have had good luck with, I don't go much further. If I know it is a quality rifle, I will try harder.
With that Kimber of mine, I think I tried 3 or 4 bullets, 2 or 3 powders, 2 different primers, brass prep, and nothing ever shot great. The rifle was very well put together, nice fit and finish, with nice wood. But, I bought it for a sheep gun and 1.5" or worse is not what I am looking for in a rifle that will be used in wide open country with a tag that comes once a lifetime.

 

[Falfan2017]

I had a "factory" Mosin Nagant that was capable of putting 5 rounds into 6" at 100 with surplus ammo.

 

[rogn]

I believe the barrels being produced today have better potential for precision shooting than those of prior decades. (sorry, fat fingers) Sure there are those that are impossibly hopeless, but more seem to be good shooters. What I find more often than not is poor QC on the handles with bolt handles hitting the stock or the barrel channel being biased enough to rub one side of the barrel. Crap left in the bedding, etc,ad nauseum. cure these issues and most shoot well. A mossy thats < 1/2"@ 200, a Japanese Rifle Co 375 that has about 45+ work up loads under the same piece of tape @ 107yds( 3 bullets, 3 powders and about in a week all inside of 1 1/4"), an AR10 that puts 3 inside of 0.70" @ 300M with fair regularity.
All components seem improved as well so the entire premise of the rifle alone may be a tad misleading.

 

[Frankr]

I had a "factory" Mosin Nagant that was capable of putting 5 rounds into 6" at 100 with surplus ammo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_in_the_woodpile

 

[M-61]

Bought a Savage LRPV in 6BR a few years ago. Had no brass so bought a box of Lapua's. After sighting in, my last 5 shot group (box of 20 I think) I shot a group of 5 I really have never been able to match. In the 1's. Maybe a lucky group (which I never really have.....have plenty of great 4 shot groups!) but it certainly was an eye opener. I wondered when I shot it if I would ever be able to match it. Never had anything even close before or since. I have never had factory ammo shoot as well as my hand-loads. (though factory ammo that I have shot is far and few between and mostly decades ago).
None the less it's one nice group.

 

[270WinDude]

With most loads my bergara b14 in 270 shoots at 100 yards what most who post groups here seem to shoot at about 400-600 yards... I use a rock front rest, ghetto rear rest, bench, and weaver t36. I have some hand loads and some bullets that do better then others. Anything in new Winchester brass is a mess. I have a hard time believing I'm worse then 90% of the shooters out there who buy a ruger American and start shooting 1 hole groups the next day but it sounds like that is the case. I'm pretty sure I could beat my CF with my 13fpe .177 spring piston airgun at 70 yards. I guess I need more practice because I'm sure it's not the gun, according to OP most factory guns shoot 1 hole at 500 yards.

 

[Bc'z]

With most loads my bergara b14 in 270 shoots at 100 yards what most who post groups here seem to shoot at about 400-600 yards... I use a rock front rest, ghetto rear rest, bench, and weaver t36. I have some hand loads and some bullets that do better then others. Anything in new Winchester brass is a mess. I have a hard time believing I'm worse then 90% of the shooters out there who buy a ruger American and start shooting 1 hole groups the next day but it sounds like that is the case. I'm pretty sure I could beat my CF with my 13fpe .177 spring piston airgun at 70 yards. I guess I need more practice because I'm sure it's not the gun, according to OP most factory guns shoot 1 hole at 500 yards.

The best way to get 1 hole groups at 500 with a factory rifle is to only take 1 shot per target.
My experience anyways.
I've worked my ass off on the loading bench and can only get 1" groups @ 300 with factory rifles.
But I still have a lot to learn

 

[Peebles24]

I have a ruger american .243 i shoots 1 moa with 95 gr nosler ballistic tips. Its a sporter barrel hunting rifle. Im happy with 1 minute of deer out of it. 2" at 200 still a dead deer.

 

[ClassCat]

Until my Savage F/TR in .223's barrel got shot out, I was able to do .3" at 200 yards with handloads lovingly produced. Awaiting new barrel next week.

.3 @200 ? Thats SR B R competition level.

 

[Someoldguy]

Anyone ever win a benchrest match with a factory rifle?

Seems like everyone's wasting their money on customs, so the question begs to be asked.