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REastman said:If the idea is to really bring in new shooters just allow people to use a 30-06. Placing further restrictions will only splinter the shooters, and will stifle new folks from participating. Relaxing the rules will bring more people into it.
Obtunded said:When George Farqhuarson created F-Class, it was to allow TR shooters (Palma shooters) the option of using their sling and iron rifles with a scope and bipod, but adhering to all other aspects of the TR rifle rules including weights, bullets, calibers etc. Hence FTR
I am all about making things better, but I am also a bit nostalgic. One of the advantages of George's original vision is that it leveled the field equipment wise, and made this a contest of shooting skill. I accept there are many opinions about that.
Being from George Farqhuarson's club and having been involved with building the range which bears his name, I would like to pay homage to his vision by saying I think it should remain as he meant it to be.... 156 grains max.
scaxeman said:Erik Cortina said:What about instead of limiting bullet weight or COAL, or bullet speed, etc, you just give everyone a trophy at the end of the match and have ice cream and talk about how it's not about winning! Also propose group hugs when someone gets caught in a reversal! ;D
Or just quit keeping scores.
Sigh... says the National level F-Open shooter.... ;D
Erik Cortina said:If you really wanted to cater to new shooters, then quit making them shoot against "Masters" in "Master/Unclassified" class.
[br]German Salazar said:F-TR is a lot of fun, I really enjoy it and don't see any need for change. The .308 cartridge itself creates a reasonably level field where new shooters can think they have a chance (they don't) and where experienced competitors can fight it out on skill while still exercising some creativity.
Have I missed something?
Erik Cortina said:scaxeman said:Erik Cortina said:What about instead of limiting bullet weight or COAL, or bullet speed, etc, you just give everyone a trophy at the end of the match and have ice cream and talk about how it's not about winning! Also propose group hugs when someone gets caught in a reversal! ;D
Or just quit keeping scores.
Sigh... says the National level F-Open shooter.... ;D
International Level shooter, I didn't go shoots 1's in Ireland to be called "National Level" shooter! ;D
When I started I shot my first F-Open match with a 300 Win. Mag. using a mix of Winchester and Norma brass (did not work too good by the way), from a bipod and a rear bag. I didn't even remove the sling stud from the rear. Was I conpetitive? No I was not, but it gave me a goal to follow, and 3 years later, here I am, I'm by no means dominating the sport (I don't think anyone is), but I'm doing much better uthan I ever hoped to. I took my fair share of beatings from the "good" guys with "better" equipment, but I never blamed it on equipment, I just stuck it out and I knew if I wanted to be competitive I would have to do things better, and that included investing on better equipment, as well as time on the range and on the reloading room.
By the way, we have a 33 caliber limit in F-Open, how many top level shooters have you seen shooting 300 grain bullets? Even 200 grain bullets are uncommon in F-Open. Why? Because "At some point the shooter becomes the limiting factor in accuracy!". The heavies are not for everyone, but if you can handle them, then have at it.
If you really wanted to cater to new shooters, th
en quit making them shoot against "Masters" in "Master/Unclassified" class.
mattt said:Why not ban anyone that is sponsered and gets money or gear? A new shooter doesnt have that advantage. Make f/tr like college sports if you get any gear , rifles or ammo for free you are f/open . This sounds alot more fair then the rest of the bans . As a new shooter in mid 2010 I had to get a second job to upgrade my rifle /scope to the level were I could compete localy forget worrying about bullet wieghts.Some of you top shooters forget what it is to be a new shooter and pay for all your gear.
mattt said:Why not ban anyone that is sponsered and gets money or gear? A new shooter doesnt have that advantage. Make f/tr like college sports if you get any gear , rifles or ammo for free you are f/open . This sounds alot more fair then any rule change about wieght of bullets . As a new shooter in mid 2010 I had to get a second job to upgrade my rifle /scope to the level were I could compete localy forget worrying about bullet wieghts.Some of you top shooters forget what it is to be a new shooter and pay for all your gear.This is how most new shooters look at it.Wow all the good shooters have nightforce scopes how will I ever come up with the money to get one of those! Not wow yhe is shooting a box of 48$ 200 plus grain bergers how will I ever buy those.