F-Class now has it's own Rules Book (2024)

[BP1]

Sew a thick pile carpet pad on your shoulder, like shag.

I’m thinking 70s Trailer house green.

 

[dannyjbiggs]

So does now the match director need to appoint a committee to police the FTR guys to make sure they’re not “free recoiling“ and if they catch someone doing it show them the exit gate lol. Personally I could care less if they do

Shouldn't have to. The assigned scorekeeper should observe for infractions of the rules and refer them to the RO for resolution.

 

[Dave M.]

im gonna attempt to do some benchrest stuff (groundhog shoots) through the scope cam (trigger cam 2.1)

there is a serious lack of content for the benchrest/f class type of shooting to get the younger crowd interested.

What is the best/easiest cam system to attach to a scope? I think for hunting it would be great to go back and review the shots.

 

[Ccrider]

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[Benchrest Braxton]

What is the best/easiest cam system to attach to a scope? I think for hunting it would be great to go back and review the shots.

triggercam 2.1 is the best one i have seen so far!!!

 

[SilhouetteShooter]

Well I wonder if some clown is going to try to use their new mini chronograph whilst shooting....

You betcha

 

[T.Rhodes]

I've been following this and it seems most of the discussion is around free recoil. I have an area I'm not crystal clear on and that's about the front rest and any "engagement" between fore-end and rest. The bag on my rest can be compressed to contact the sides of the fore-end and create some friction. Does this constitute a violation of 3.2 (a)? I can lift it out and put it back in, but there some friction. How much contact is permissible? How is it measured? Who measures it?

3.2 Rifle Rests(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O) - The F-Open rifle may be supported by a front rest bag, which may be fully adjustable for position but may not provide a positive mechanical method for returning the rifle to its prior point of aim from the previous shot. The rest may not mechanically capture the fore-end of the rifle in such a way that does not allow the rifle to be lifted directly up from the rest or to be placed directly down into the rest. Any rest which captures the fore-end of the rifle and that will not allow for the rifle to be lifted directly up from the rest shall be considered to be an attachment.

I don't want to have the free recoil police on me too, so would like to hear from those more in the know.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

I've been following this and it seems most of the discussion is around free recoil. I have an area I'm not crystal clear on and that's about the front rest and any "engagement" between fore-end and rest. The bag on my rest can be compressed to contact the sides of the fore-end and create some friction. Does this constitute a violation of 3.2 (a)? I can lift it out and put it back in, but there some friction. How much contact is permissible? How is it measured? Who measures it?

3.2 Rifle Rests(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O) - The F-Open rifle may be supported by a front rest bag, which may be fully adjustable for position but may not provide a positive mechanical method for returning the rifle to its prior point of aim from the previous shot. The rest may not mechanically capture the fore-end of the rifle in such a way that does not allow the rifle to be lifted directly up from the rest or to be placed directly down into the rest. Any rest which captures the fore-end of the rifle and that will not allow for the rifle to be lifted directly up from the rest shall be considered to be an attachment.

I don't want to have the free recoil police on me too, so would like to hear from those more in the know.

It should easily lift up out of the front rest without having to turn or manipulate the rifle or without the front rest moving.


This thread is proof that no one or very few people who shoot F-Class have ever read the rulebook. The rules are virtually exactly the same as the rules prior to the release of the new F-Class only rulebook. Free recoil has never been allowed. The F-Class committee mostly just removed all of the F-Class relevant rules from the Highpower Rule book and placed them in this new book.

The new F-Class committee and some other interested parties spent a long day, and sacrificed a weekend out of their lives to go over the highpower rule book line by line and extract the F-Class related rules out of it to make the first edition of the F-Class rule book. I think it is comical that people are getting up in arms about rules that were present well before they even knew the sport of F-Class existed, and it took the release of an F-Class only rulebook for them to even realize that there is in fact a rulebook.

 

[T.Rhodes]

Ahh, guilty as charged. It too points out the general ambiguity and lack of quality in drafting of several rules that have been brought up by others. Keith Glasscock did an excellent job of that, IMO.

 

[mdram]

as someone that is looking at getting into fclass this spring, can someone ELI5 what is free recoil? and how to avoid it to stay within the rules?

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

as someone that is looking at getting into fclass this spring, can someone ELI5 what is free recoil? and how to avoid it to stay within the rules?

Your shoulder should be touching the butt plate when the rifle is fired. Free recoil is when there is a space between your shoulder and the butt plate when the rifle is fired, or you are shooting from a position where the rifle is not shouldered i.e. creedmoor shooting position

 

[Larry Koch]

When your body gets beaten by life, and your old and gray. There is short range bench rest.

 

[mdram]

Your shoulder should be touching the butt plate when the rifle is fired. Free recoil is when there is a space between your shoulder and the butt plate when the rifle is fired, or you are shooting from a position where the rifle is not shouldered i.e. creedmoor shooting position

thats what i thought, but wanted to be sure, thanks

 

[Warren Dean]

It should easily lift up out of the front rest without having to turn or manipulate the rifle or without the front rest moving.


This thread is proof that no one or very few people who shoot F-Class have ever read the rulebook. The rules are virtually exactly the same as the rules prior to the release of the new F-Class only rulebook. Free recoil has never been allowed. The F-Class committee mostly just removed all of the F-Class relevant rules from the Highpower Rule book and placed them in this new book.

The new F-Class committee and some other interested parties spent a long day, and sacrificed a weekend out of their lives to go over the highpower rule book line by line and extract the F-Class related rules out of it to make the first edition of the F-Class rule book. I think it is comical that people are getting up in arms about rules that were present well before they even knew the sport of F-Class existed, and it took the release of an F-Class only rulebook for them to even realize that there is in fact a rulebook.

Well put, Matt. It's going to be interesting this week....

 

[LVLAaron]

It should easily lift up out of the front rest without having to turn or manipulate the rifle or without the front rest moving.


This thread is proof that no one or very few people who shoot F-Class have ever read the rulebook. The rules are virtually exactly the same as the rules prior to the release of the new F-Class only rulebook. Free recoil has never been allowed. The F-Class committee mostly just removed all of the F-Class relevant rules from the Highpower Rule book and placed them in this new book.

The new F-Class committee and some other interested parties spent a long day, and sacrificed a weekend out of their lives to go over the highpower rule book line by line and extract the F-Class related rules out of it to make the first edition of the F-Class rule book. I think it is comical that people are getting up in arms about rules that were present well before they even knew the sport of F-Class existed, and it took the release of an F-Class only rulebook for them to even realize that there is in fact a rulebook.

That's what I thought.... I remember the "free recoil" rule always being there, but have been too busy lately to go look it up.

Still, I'm updating my signature to "recoil police"

 

[davidjoe]

It should easily lift up out of the front rest without having to turn or manipulate the rifle or without the front rest moving.


This thread is proof that no one or very few people who shoot F-Class have ever read the rulebook. The rules are virtually exactly the same as the rules prior to the release of the new F-Class only rulebook. Free recoil has never been allowed. The F-Class committee mostly just removed all of the F-Class relevant rules from the Highpower Rule book and placed them in this new book.

The new F-Class committee and some other interested parties spent a long day, and sacrificed a weekend out of their lives to go over the highpower rule book line by line and extract the F-Class related rules out of it to make the first edition of the F-Class rule book. I think it is comical that people are getting up in arms about rules that were present well before they even knew the sport of F-Class existed, and it took the release of an F-Class only rulebook for them to even realize that there is in fact a rulebook.

I’m grateful for the hours dedicated by those individuals. I can’t say that it has been entirely clear in the prior rules that free recoil had been disallowed, because it’s very easy to simply write that, - “free recoil is disallowed.”

“Firing from the shoulder” language has been in the rules, where the same rules elsewhere talk about a fully supported rifle with separate front and rear rests.

That could be construed as defining the basic a parameters of proximity and orientation (gun/shooter) that is permissible as well as keeping rifles somewhat traditional in appearance with butt stocks instead of just a bag rider.

The reason a clarification has been needed, if this was always the intent, is that the use of the shoulder to hold up the gun was indeed rendered moot by allowing complete artificial rests.

When a person holds a rifle off of the ground in the prone position, three parts of the body hold that rifle up, the fore-end hand, the pistol grip hand, and the shoulder. You could probably get by without the pistol grip hand, but you could not steady it without the shoulder.

So… when the shoulder’s shooting role gets eviscerated by allowing complete artificial rests front and rear, to me, it’s not all that clear what is trying to be accomplished with the “from the shoulder language” other than what I have mentioned.

A held rifle transmits all its recoil to the shooter. When we permitted the rifles to be artificially held, it went without saying that felt recoil would decrease. The early bipods could indeed terminate in spikes pressed into the ground. Bags and rests are massive and that is to resist something, movement under recoil, I do believe, and we all understand that.

So, I for one do understand, you have to be touching the butt. How much or little you touch it or try to resist movement is up to the shooter, but contact is needed.

 

[Jeff Porter]

As a long time sling shooter and novice F class shooter there are parts of the unchanged, only segregated rules are confusing many that seem obvious to me as I having become accustomed to reading the NRA rule books and from decades of highpower XTC and prone matches.

My two cents ( post inflation so may not be that much ).

Free recoil - F class origins are from prone shooting on the ground in full contact with the rifle. Floating heads and spaces between the butt and the shoulder and only using the tip of one finger to break the trigger are a long way from what F class was designed to be.

General match considerations. f class takes a hot minute to get your gear on the line and lined out for a string of fire. When I go to matches where the line allows a shooter to leave their gear on the line I see that as taking away a part of the skill set of the match. I feel you should re build for every string, not just one time. Maybe extend prep time from 3 to 5 minutes for F but I don’t like seeing bags and rests on the line all day.

Similar to offhand shooting or slow prone in XTC. Sure you have a magazine which would hold the 20 bullets for the string of fire but breaking position while loading and re establishing the NPA is part of the games skill set.

To Quote a line from a sling shooter forum discussing the rule book.

NRA isn't wrong about the purpose. F class was developed for guys that couldn't sling up anymore, not for BR guys that fell down off the bench and decided to shoot instead of getting back up .



So you see there is two sides to most coins. It all depends whose ox is getting gored.

 

[drop_point]

I can sure see some Fudds clutching their pearls about how much shoulder contact can get somebody DQ'ed.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

... F class was developed for guys that couldn't sling up anymore, not for BR guys that fell down off the bench and decided to shoot instead of getting back up .

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are!

 

[drop_point]

Maybe I missed it, did we see rules about binocular eyepieces for spotting?