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F-Class is not the enemy

Thank you, Alex! I have been in Tyler Texas 5 months. Thank you for your input. I am looking forward to diving into this rabbit hole. Good Luck this Sunday!

Almost 60 here.

Gary
You are close to Panola Rifle range (600yd) at Carthage. You can find the schedule on Panola Rifle and Gun club website. Definitely worth the drive to show up to a match and tell someone you are new and would like to consider shooting F-class. That is all it will take to start your journey down the rabbit hole, Alice;)
 
I have not read all the posts, but let me give you my thoughts. I'm a sling shooter, primarily XTC, shoot Mid and Long Range too. I think high power people think that able bodied shooters should be shooting with a sling....and find it difficult to understand why younger people don't shoot common high power. Further I believe that was the origin of F Class....and older person trying to stay shooting and being relevant.
I also think most high power shooter think FCLASS or its sub categories is part of high power....IMO its not. That's where the "dislike" F Class comes from.
F Class is different in so many ways and as it has evolved its further away from high power than ever...also the talent and skills are in many way miles apart too.
We all shoot rifles, but the differences in small bore, silhouette, long range, XTC, F Class, FTR etc require related but real differences.
The talent required to be at the top of F Class is no less than a top shooter with a sling.
 
I have not read all the posts, but let me give you my thoughts. I'm a sling shooter, primarily XTC, shoot Mid and Long Range too. I think high power people think that able bodied shooters should be shooting with a sling....and find it difficult to understand why younger people don't shoot common high power. Further I believe that was the origin of F Class....and older person trying to stay shooting and being relevant.
I also think most high power shooter think FCLASS or its sub categories is part of high power....IMO its not. That's where the "dislike" F Class comes from.
F Class is different in so many ways and as it has evolved its further away from high power than ever...also the talent and skills are in many way miles apart too.
We all shoot rifles, but the differences in small bore, silhouette, long range, XTC, F Class, FTR etc require related but real differences.
The talent required to be at the top of F Class is no less than a top shooter with a sling.

Hi Charlie. Interesting perspective. To be honest, I stopped shooting position/XTC and smallbore position, in my early 40's, when I started getting pinched for time. I'm guessing people made the same comments: why is an able bodied young(er) person going to shoot prone only.

It's interesting how high power/XTC has changed. When I shot it, it was iron sights, primarily bolt action as a match rifle and the M1A/M14 and AR's as a service rifle. Now, a large percentage of the rifles are scoped, and built on an AR platform. The same argument of an older person trying to stay shooting and being relevant can be applied to those changes. F-Class was just a logical progression from prone with a sling.

Any of the shooting disciplines take time, but the fundamentals of building a position, sight picture, and trigger control are prevalent across all of them. It's not about relevance, it's about the love of the sport. If all goes well this year, I will shoot both sling and f-tr. Maybe we will cross paths again?
 
You are close to Panola Rifle range (600yd) at Carthage. You can find the schedule on Panola Rifle and Gun club website. Definitely worth the drive to show up to a match and tell someone you are new and would like to consider shooting F-class. That is all it will take to start your journey down the rabbit hole, Alice;)
Thank you very much!!! I will check them out!!! I may be limited to 600 anyway because the only gun I have for F-class is a 6XC

Bets Regards!
Gary
 
I have not read all the posts, but let me give you my thoughts. I'm a sling shooter, primarily XTC, shoot Mid and Long Range too. I think high power people think that able bodied shooters should be shooting with a sling....and find it difficult to understand why younger people don't shoot common high power. Further I believe that was the origin of F Class....and older person trying to stay shooting and being relevant.
I also think most high power shooter think FCLASS or its sub categories is part of high power....IMO its not. That's where the "dislike" F Class comes from.
F Class is different in so many ways and as it has evolved its further away from high power than ever...also the talent and skills are in many way miles apart too.
We all shoot rifles, but the differences in small bore, silhouette, long range, XTC, F Class, FTR etc require related but real differences.
The talent required to be at the top of F Class is no less than a top shooter with a sling.

There are a lot of posts but you captured and echoed my thoughts, in supposing what your (collective) thoughts were, above.

There are a few reasons why shooting sling isn’t appealing to many F-Class shooters (Less than 10% discipline overlap).

If we go back to the 1990’s, the first decade I and others could start buying guns, very accurate bullets and guns were trending upward in magazines and stores. This is the decade I believe I started seeing yellow bullet boxes in stores; they started and fanned the flame of ultra high BC.

Take for example the 700 Police, the Winchester Coyote and the Stainless Sendero Fluted. These are “gateway” rifles that will find one’s dormant accuracy addiction string, and start pulling on it. Barrels only thickened from this factory floor.

A level of incredible, huge, expensive scopes were coming onto the scene that tripled existing power, best represented by the Nighforce NSX.

Sling didn’t have much if any use for any of this, and scopes weren’t even allowed if pictures tell the story back then. A true bull barrel’s accuracy advantage was offset by holding up its extra weight, which I think was rule limited anyhow.

So, the confluence of all this emerging great gear was not just lost on sling, but in some cases, advances in heavy new bullets were specifically ruled out.

Then there is the elephant in the room, … why would a shooter intentionally forgo the method of shooting that would minimize any given rifle’s group size (especially when it is harder) like using a sling instead of a ruck sack.

This question is like the DOD color blindness eye test. A true F-Class guy can stare at your hot jacket, the sling that is not actually part of your natural body, skinny barrel and your big rings, but “seeing” maximum fun in that setup is as elusive to us as those numbers that a colorblind guy cannot see within the pattern of dots.

I say “maximum” fun, because sling remains a form of shooting guns, which is inherently a fun activity (and I for one do like it), except arctic biathlons, that still doesn’t look fun at all.
 
I always wondered about why someone would look down their nose at someone else. I sort of get a grin on my face when I shoot well with what I have, regardless of what someone else is shooting. (my grin does have to be suppressed a bit however when I do better with an old 03 against someone with a rifle that cost more than my car though...) Jim
 
so at 69 the sling is my first love and always will be, in my experience the vast majority of shooters treat each other with respect and decorum, not sure it's a "us vs them" thing, people with a bad attitude will always be among us, fortunately they are few and far between on the range (unlike the freeways), and that's a good thing.
 
We should not squabble. The 2A world is a big tent and all shooters should be welcome by all other disciplines even if the two don’t agree on the favorite. It amazes me how easily the anti types can exploit those divisions. This is bad for all.
 
The only moaning I've ever noticed is some don't like muzzle brakes because of the sideways muzzle blasts..
Some of them were f class shooters.
I too shoot f class and don't take any notice..
I've used muzzle brakes for 15 years..
If you don't like the loud noise of a firearm going off..
Get another hobby...
 
I’ve grown weary of derogatory posts aimed at F-Class. My first instinct is to respond in kind, with a pointed remark about sling shooters. But I have friends who shoot sling, people I respect, and I would never want to offend them with a lazy, generalized comment about their discipline. So instead, I move on and, at least in my own mind, take the high road by not responding at all.

Thinking about it more, I’ve wondered why some sling shooters feel such animosity toward F-Class that they’re compelled to post publicly about it. I suspect the primary cause is, a new shooter can get behind a well-built Fclass rifle on a supported mechanical rest and do very well in mild conditions, whereas mastering sling shooting requires years of practice to perfect an unsupported position. Combine that with the growth of F-Class and the perceived decline of sling participation, and basic human nature takes over. Some feel the need to defend their tribe, their passion, against what they see as a threat.

But to what end? F-Class shooters aren’t stopping anyone from shooting sling. If sling is your thing, that’s great, it’s a noble, historic discipline that deserves respect. It’s just not for everyone.

I started competitive shooting later in life, in F-Class. I quickly respected the skill and practice required to shoot sling, and after a couple seasons I built a sling rifle. My thinking was, I’m not getting any younger, and if I didn’t try it then, I probably never would. I practiced, spent time at home working on position, and shot a few matches. I’m not naturally flexible, and it was challenging, but I enjoyed it and the challenge. I have no doubt that if I stuck with it, I’d improve, become more competitive, and find a level of enjoyment similar to what I get from F-Class.

I chose F-Class because it’s a better fit for me. The pursuit of mechanical precision in the rifle, the obsessive refinement of ammunition, the development of rifle handling (contrary to some opinions), the practice, the competition, the camaraderie, and the challenge of making wind calls under difficult conditions all combine to make it a rewarding sport for me and many others. And the participation numbers reflect that. If it were truly “easy,” would we consistently see the same names at the top at national-level matches?

So, what’s the point of all this? This post isn’t going to change human nature, or eliminate short-sighted, tribal reactions. But maybe it will give a few people pause. Inflammatory comments don’t elevate anyone’s discipline, they only deepen divisions. Even when we choose not to respond in kind, those comments still land as an attack on something I care deeply about.



Respectfully,

Tod Hendricks
Why? Because your group invaded another discipline (Highpower Rifle), using that discipline's ranges and leagues, and the F-Class format/shooting style runs counter to that of another discipline (Highpower Rifle), basically reversing what is being done by that discipline. Sometimes in life, things are difficult to figure out. This is not one of those things.

Danny
 
Why? Because your group invaded another discipline (Highpower Rifle), using that discipline's ranges and leagues, and the F-Class format/shooting style runs counter to that of another discipline (Highpower Rifle), basically reversing what is being done by that discipline. Sometimes in life, things are difficult to figure out. This is not one of those things.

Danny

Wow. I can not decide if this intended to be serious or an attempt at trolling...
 
Why? Because your group invaded another discipline (Highpower Rifle), using that discipline's ranges and leagues, and the F-Class format/shooting style runs counter to that of another discipline (Highpower Rifle), basically reversing what is being done by that discipline. Sometimes in life, things are difficult to figure out. This is not one of those things.

Danny
Danny is everything ok? You seem upset.
 

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