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F-Class is not the enemy

I think you'll find at SWN (and a majority matches) that most F Class shooters (no matter their level) are approachable and helpful so long as they aren't getting ready to shoot and/or just finished shooting and are reflecting/cleaning up their gear. And to be fair, same with the sling shooters.

As with any discipline, the questions you ask will often reflect the level of answer you get. You can expect there's a lot going on at any time and everyone is busy so there's always going to be a bit of 'I can't explain everything to you right now' so at matches it's usually more prudent to pick single items you'd like a little help with. But as a matter of general camaraderie I love the F Class people because unless they're discussing something personal amongst themselves they'll usually welcome anyone to join in, talk and learn.

You'll also get even more face time with everyone at this match because of pulling targets and that's when you can have some really cool conversations in-between shooters.

Edit: With a match like SWN there's nearly 400 competitors and everyone there will have a different skill set when it comes to communication, and they're all human so be patient when trying to talk to people. Say hi to enough of them and you'll find people that fit your style of communication. Some of the most generous, kind and helpful shooters I know tend to come off a little quick or short with their answers but you have to understand that just might be how they communicate, it's not personal. And if you're asking for help don't forget, please and thank you are always great too.
As mentioned I shot at perry where there can be 1k plus shooters for the president 100 and about the same at the EIC match. I’m not trying to be best buddies with them but when you say how’s its going or just general conversation don’t give the look of I’m inconvenience you. I don’t ask many questions but again general conversation. Maybe that’s what it is maybe the sling guys have had bad interactions with f class guys and vice versa. Truth be told we have more people come up to us asking us questions about Alaska we all wear shirts saying where shirts with our club name on them.
 
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I think you'll find at SWN (and a majority matches) that most F Class shooters (no matter their level) are approachable and helpful so long as they aren't getting ready to shoot and/or just finished shooting and are reflecting/cleaning up their gear. And to be fair, same with the sling shooters.

As with any discipline, the questions you ask will often reflect the level of answer you get. You can expect there's a lot going on at any time and everyone is busy so there's always going to be a bit of 'I can't explain everything to you right now' so at matches it's usually more prudent to pick single items you'd like a little help with. But as a matter of general camaraderie I love the F Class people because unless they're discussing something personal amongst themselves they'll usually welcome anyone to join in, talk and learn.

You'll also get even more face time with everyone at this match because of pulling targets and that's when you can have some really cool conversations in-between shooters.

Edit: With a match like SWN there's nearly 400 competitors and everyone there will have a different skill set when it comes to communication, and they're all human so be patient when trying to talk to people. Say hi to enough of them and you'll find people that fit your style of communication. Some of the most generous, kind and helpful shooters I know tend to come off a little quick or short with their answers but you have to understand that just might be how they communicate, it's not personal. And if you're asking for help don't forget, please and thank you are always great too.
When it comes to expanding ur shooting/ reloading knowledge/ability u can ask the high skill competitor questions. The words u get in the answer u may not fully understand. U could ask Tiger Woods about golf and the words he will give u may be THE answer but beyond ur experience level. Having someone actually watch ur shooting n giving thoughts/ changes to try is the ultimate mentoring. That is hard to achieve.
One of the best ways to improve ur performance is to get into a group of good shooters. The info that is shared within the group causes “ All ships to rise”. Good shooters are always trying different/new things to hopefully improve their match performance. Get in on that if u can.
 
I didn’t read the whole thread, but (we) sling shooters picked on the AR-15’s like crazy when the M-14 ruled the day. About 2 years after Army beat the USMC in rattle battle everyone shot AR’s. It’s just friendly banter.

I shoot sling, AR tac, F class, smallbore,…. It’s all fun.
 
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As mentioned I shot at perry where there can be 1k plus shooters for the president 100 and about the same at the EIC match. I’m not trying to be best buddies with them but when you say how’s its going or just general conversation don’t give the look of I’m inconvenience you. I don’t ask many questions but again general conversation. Maybe that’s what it is maybe the sling guys have had bad interactions with f class guys and vice versa. Truth be told we have more people come up to us asking us questions about Alaska we all wear shirts saying where shirts with our club name on them.
I have not found your observation to be the case when I was shooting service rifle. I have asked and gotten information from the best shooters in the game…. BUT…. I don’t ask them questions during P100 or NTI matches. Those are the Daytona/ World Series level national finals and you only get one shot per year. Most of the shooters on the line for those two matches are very focused on those 80 shots all season. Not the best time or place for a meet and greet. The rest of the week is a lot more relaxed.
 
Well said Tod, Here in Australia it seems much the same, Im going into my 4th year in shooting (F-open) and there seems to be some type of toxic culture between the sling shooters and f-open, we commonly get heckeled for doing load development or the usual smart arse comments (hurry up and get yr gear off the mound cheater) We commonly get frowned upon by taking time to set up and take our gear off the mound, Ive been told to hurry up several times during competition even though Im on and off the mound in under half the time im allowed to shoot my string.. I just keep smiling!
 
My friends and I got into F-Cass 10 years ago, I am now 68 wish I had earlier. from the beginning everyone was helpful and welcoming, years later a few of the sling shooters came over to the dark side. I have always thought of sling shooters to be of exceptional talent, just remember when you switch to FTR or F-open that X ring gets a little more challenging.
 
I have not found your observation to be the case when I was shooting service rifle. I have asked and gotten information from the best shooters in the game…. BUT…. I don’t ask them questions during P100 or NTI matches. Those are the Daytona/ World Series level national finals and you only get one shot per year. Most of the shooters on the line for those two matches are very focused on those 80 shots all season. Not the best time or place for a meet and greet. The rest of the week is a lot more relaxed.
I don’t bother anyone on the line asking random questions while they were shooting. When scoring I ask do you want your values called out that’s it. I also remind them what target they are on before they start shooting. I’m talking just in general conversation way after the matches are over. I found most are in their own little world or as some would say their little bubble. Just my observation and I leave them alone.
 
Its lack of experience that causes these kind of comments. Everyone wants to think their discipline is the best or the hardest or takes the most skill. I have shot, 1000/600yd BR, service rifle, LR F-Class, and dabbled in a little short range. They are all challenging. Just in different ways. I think unless you have competed in that discipline, your should reserve comment. It just makes you look foolish.
Alex you’ve hit the nail on the head. Many people believe their particular interest is the ultimate. Fair enough. But the tribal mentality within the many shooting disciplines gets sooo old.
 
Well, the divides and criticisms within the shooting community are just a subset of everything in life. Where you live, politics, you name it ...... my situation is right and yours is simply wrong, or perhaps even evil. Tolerance and undertanding are in short supply these days.
 
I’ve grown weary of derogatory posts aimed at F-Class. My first instinct is to respond in kind, with a pointed remark about sling shooters. But I have friends who shoot sling, people I respect, and I would never want to offend them with a lazy, generalized comment about their discipline. So instead, I move on and, at least in my own mind, take the high road by not responding at all.

Thinking about it more, I’ve wondered why some sling shooters feel such animosity toward F-Class that they’re compelled to post publicly about it. I suspect the primary cause is, a new shooter can get behind a well-built Fclass rifle on a supported mechanical rest and do very well in mild conditions, whereas mastering sling shooting requires years of practice to perfect an unsupported position. Combine that with the growth of F-Class and the perceived decline of sling participation, and basic human nature takes over. Some feel the need to defend their tribe, their passion, against what they see as a threat.

But to what end? F-Class shooters aren’t stopping anyone from shooting sling. If sling is your thing, that’s great, it’s a noble, historic discipline that deserves respect. It’s just not for everyone.

I started competitive shooting later in life, in F-Class. I quickly respected the skill and practice required to shoot sling, and after a couple seasons I built a sling rifle. My thinking was, I’m not getting any younger, and if I didn’t try it then, I probably never would. I practiced, spent time at home working on position, and shot a few matches. I’m not naturally flexible, and it was challenging, but I enjoyed it and the challenge. I have no doubt that if I stuck with it, I’d improve, become more competitive, and find a level of enjoyment similar to what I get from F-Class.

I chose F-Class because it’s a better fit for me. The pursuit of mechanical precision in the rifle, the obsessive refinement of ammunition, the development of rifle handling (contrary to some opinions), the practice, the competition, the camaraderie, and the challenge of making wind calls under difficult conditions all combine to make it a rewarding sport for me and many others. And the participation numbers reflect that. If it were truly “easy,” would we consistently see the same names at the top at national-level matches?

So, what’s the point of all this? This post isn’t going to change human nature, or eliminate short-sighted, tribal reactions. But maybe it will give a few people pause. Inflammatory comments don’t elevate anyone’s discipline, they only deepen divisions. Even when we choose not to respond in kind, those comments still land as an attack on something I care deeply about.



Respectfully,

Tod Hendricks
Should have seen how a lot of ranges and match directors treated F-Class in the beginning.

Things are much better now.
 
This year will mark 60 years for me in the shooting sports. I've primarily shot smallbore, and high power rifle. At one point I think I held at least 10 NRA classifications across both disciplines. I still shoot smallbore prone, a casual smallbore standing league in the winter, and high power prone (Palma, and soon f-tr). I impulsively had a F-TR rifle built. Sadly, family obligations have kept me from competing and shooting over the past two years. Net of all the above BS, I enjoy shooting. I have competed with and against some of the best. At the end of a match, I'll have dinner with my friends. No matter the discipline, I have always found people helpful and sociable. I was around for the beginning of f-class. Sling and f-class used the same targets. As a "sling shooter", it was a blast pair firing at the DCRA matches with a f-class shooter. They were good guys. Sorry for the rambling, but I've always had good experiences with my involvement in the shooting sports, be it high power rifle, or smallbore.
 
I’ve grown weary of derogatory posts aimed at F-Class. My first instinct is to respond in kind, with a pointed remark about sling shooters. But I have friends who shoot sling, people I respect, and I would never want to offend them with a lazy, generalized comment about their discipline. So instead, I move on and, at least in my own mind, take the high road by not responding at all.

Thinking about it more, I’ve wondered why some sling shooters feel such animosity toward F-Class that they’re compelled to post publicly about it. I suspect the primary cause is, a new shooter can get behind a well-built Fclass rifle on a supported mechanical rest and do very well in mild conditions, whereas mastering sling shooting requires years of practice to perfect an unsupported position. Combine that with the growth of F-Class and the perceived decline of sling participation, and basic human nature takes over. Some feel the need to defend their tribe, their passion, against what they see as a threat.

But to what end? F-Class shooters aren’t stopping anyone from shooting sling. If sling is your thing, that’s great, it’s a noble, historic discipline that deserves respect. It’s just not for everyone.

I started competitive shooting later in life, in F-Class. I quickly respected the skill and practice required to shoot sling, and after a couple seasons I built a sling rifle. My thinking was, I’m not getting any younger, and if I didn’t try it then, I probably never would. I practiced, spent time at home working on position, and shot a few matches. I’m not naturally flexible, and it was challenging, but I enjoyed it and the challenge. I have no doubt that if I stuck with it, I’d improve, become more competitive, and find a level of enjoyment similar to what I get from F-Class.

I chose F-Class because it’s a better fit for me. The pursuit of mechanical precision in the rifle, the obsessive refinement of ammunition, the development of rifle handling (contrary to some opinions), the practice, the competition, the camaraderie, and the challenge of making wind calls under difficult conditions all combine to make it a rewarding sport for me and many others. And the participation numbers reflect that. If it were truly “easy,” would we consistently see the same names at the top at national-level matches?

So, what’s the point of all this? This post isn’t going to change human nature, or eliminate short-sighted, tribal reactions. But maybe it will give a few people pause. Inflammatory comments don’t elevate anyone’s discipline, they only deepen divisions. Even when we choose not to respond in kind, those comments still land as an attack on something I care deeply about.



Respectfully,

Tod Hendricks
Tod,

I am later in life as well; I am very interested in shooting F-class open. I just moved 4 hours from Bayou range, and I see that they have monthly F-Class tournaments. if you wouldn't mind answering a few questions, please message me. I won't take much of your time. Thank you for an insightful post!

Sincerely,
Gary Elmore
 
Tod,

I am later in life as well; I am very interested in shooting F-class open. I just moved 4 hours from Bayou range, and I see that they have monthly F-Class tournaments. if you wouldn't mind answering a few questions, please message me. I won't take much of your time. Thank you for an insightful post!

Sincerely,
Gary Elmore
Gary, if you are on Facebook, there is an F-Class competition group and an F-class beginner's group that may be of interest. If you PM me your specific location, I can suggest a match to show up at and really get the low down from competitors and see what it is all about. Jump on in, the waters fine. We are hoping to get long range F-class back up and running in Louisiana later this year. It would be near Lafayette, LA.
 
Gary,

I moved to Texas last year, about 3-1/2 hr from Bayou Rifles. I have shot in three of their monthly matches (Nov, Dec, Jan) and will shoot again this coming Sunday. I am really enjoying it. If you want to see what the range is like, watch any of the F-Class John & Erik Cortina "F-Class V2 Finale". These challenging matches are shot there, at Bayou Rifles Juliff Range. The monthly matches are very well run and all the shooters are very friendly.

I am 80 years young.

Alex
 
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Gary,

I moved to Texas this year, about 3-1/2 hr from Bayou Rifles. I have shot in three of their monthly matches (Nov, Dec, Jan) and will shoot again this coming Sunday. I am really enjoying it. If you want to see what the range is like, watch any of the F-Class John & Erik Cortina "F-Class V2 Finale". These challenging matches are shot there, at Bayou Rifles Juliff Range. The monthly matches are very well run and all the shooters are very friendly.

I am 80 years young.

Alex
Thank you, Alex! I have been in Tyler Texas 5 months. Thank you for your input. I am looking forward to diving into this rabbit hole. Good Luck this Sunday!

Almost 60 here.

Gary
 
Gary,

I moved to Texas this year, about 3-1/2 hr from Bayou Rifles. I have shot in three of their monthly matches (Nov, Dec, Jan) and will shoot again this coming Sunday. I am really enjoying it. If you want to see what the range is like, watch any of the F-Class John & Erik Cortina "F-Class V2 Finale". These challenging matches are shot there, at Bayou Rifles Juliff Range. The monthly matches are very well run and all the shooters are very friendly.

I am 80 years young.

Alex
FYI, I found and joined a gun range before we found a house, LOL
 

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