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F-Class is not the enemy

I’m an F’er, ;). Also called belly Benchrest back when I started in it. I don’t know that I have ever seen much explanation of the motivation behind bias against F-Class by a few, or more, in sling, but that doesn’t mean we can’t make some accurate suppositions.

My best read on what is maybe being unconsciously “telegraphed”, and my thoughts in response would be:

1) F -Class was implicitly for “when” we couldn’t shoot otherwise, and most of us jumped the gun.

Response, indeed, F-Class as started by George Farquharson was one, elaborate set of physical accommodations, an unpretentious purpose if there ever was one, not expected to overshadow anything, or draw, or be credited, with the mantle of premier shooting, in any way.

Acknowledged, always, but as it stands right now, it’s harder to come away with a win in an F-Class match than just about anything else in shooting; case in point, myself, I won last year’s points race in Texas (3rd US) in a division of .22 RF but get clobbered in F-Open.

2) We compound this by starting youth in F-Class.

Response, Sling guys, if there wasn’t FClass, the honest truth is we probably wouldn’t have picked sling to throw ourselves into and shoot, anyway. If you shoot sling, and you also compete in polar biathlons in the wintertime, raise your hand. I love rimfire insanely, but I don’t want to work that hard to shoot that big, I’m just more equipment oriented than those that want to ski cross county, pause, and shoot offhand. Sling doesn’t want that, either. We all draw the line of optimal fun, somewhere.

Our own kids yes, we participate with them of course; but each discipline must ultimately draw and secure its next shooters.

3) We took your ranges.

Response: I don’t think any range ever limited the number of sling shooters that want to enter. If your numbers weren’t going to stay large, you might have lost some of those ranges for matches.

4) We tended to call ourselves High Power while Sling certainly didn’t consider itself F-Class.

Response: take it as a compliment. I don’t disagree. I have thought F-Class was a bit harsh in saying we were in no way, Benchrest, while stretching to align with a disciple that shoots standing up, unsupported.

From the outside world, everybody that thinks about shooting, everyday that goes by, probably every hour that goes by, has more in common with each other, than even with some of their own extended family members. I guarantee that. We are drawing distinctions that are too fine, to ever overcome the commonalities of those that share our rare and peculiar priorities.
 
Its lack of experience that causes these kind of comments. Everyone wants to think their discipline is the best or the hardest or takes the most skill. I have shot, 1000/600yd BR, service rifle, LR F-Class, and dabbled in a little short range. They are all challenging. Just in different ways. I think unless you have competed in that discipline, your should reserve comment. It just makes you look foolish.
 
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Make an honest effort to try any other discipline and you'll gain a lot of respect for it.
Either way, it's also important to remember and remind ourselves that most of us do this for fun and joy. If that goes away, it stops making sense.
Truer words have never been written. Thanks Praveen.

I wish I had a budget (and a safe) large enough to accommodate the specialties I am curious about.
I did go to the Williamsport summer weekend class and that was an amazing experience hosted by a great bunch of folks. They are fantastic ambassadors for their discipline.

Sorry to say I'm retired and moving south now so looking for what's around FL.
 
We must all unite and rally together, and make fun of the shotgun people.
LOL
I’m glad to shoot with anyone that shoots.
I shoot trap competitively at a fairly high level and am on here to pick up knowledge to start shooting f class. The trap, skeet and sporting guys all gig each other pretty hard. I keep saying the same as you, be glad there's people shooting anything no matter what! I help coach a kids team and hear some of the old guys grumbling about the kids, either taking to long or other nonsense. I'm glad their out there. Even if they have to quit because of college, a job or just life you've still put a good feeling about guns in their memories and sooner or later they'll be voting!!
 
I don't compete for a number of reasons, but, I might try F-TR one of these days. I'm only in my 70's :)

I've heard people try to justify their ability as better than another because they shoot _______ (name one). Everything else is easier than what they do. Ego is everything for them.

We all know it isn't true. Winning any discipline is difficult, in any sport. You pick your sport and discipline based on what interests you.
 
Tod, you know in your heart of hearts what the source of the discontent is. They are jealous of the 6 figure payouts and the groupies that F Class attracts. :)

It happens often that we fear and consequently get angry about things/people/shooting disciplines we know nothing about. I've shot F-class for sometime now but I also shoot BR and very rarely offhand. Some PRS shooters used to call me 'belly-benchrester', mostly in jest but it indicated to a thinking that BR is easy and F-class is similarly easy. When I go from shooting F-Class to BR, I am often humbled at the level of precision required to win a BR match. The tiny details we worry about in F-Class to shoot 1/2 MOA or smaller groups suddenly seem not enough at short range BR where the target size is half of F-class and X is just a dot. Similarly, I remember shooting an offhand standing match at 100 yards using an AR and coming out dead last :) ... I tried rimfire with sling and remember my hands getting numb pretty frequently. Can't imagine shooting a sling rifle with open sights at 1000 yards.
And then I've also seen some spectacular sling shooters do not so well at F-class.

Make an honest effort to try any other discipline and you'll gain a lot of respect for it.
Either way, it's also important to remember and remind ourselves that most of us do this for fun and joy. If that goes away, it stops making sense.

Well said young feller. As you know, I shoot sporting clays, rimfire benchrest, "Know Your Limits" paper matches, informal pistol matches, F Class and I have shot a Garand match and that same offhand match you shot. The bottom line is I suck to varying degrees in all when objectively compared to the top shooters. Possibly because I don't focus exclusively on one thing or it could be LOT (Lack Of Talent). In each discipline I have shot with people at the top of their game nationaly and internationally (Tod being one of them). Each disipline requires practice and dedication to develop the skills required to be at the top of that particular game. I have respect for all of them and could never even think about denegrating their particular specialization or abilty. I know you are the same way because you have BTDT.

By the way, I'm going to shoot offhand match again in February. You should come over and shoot it with me. Someone needs to bring up the bottom. Last time your's was due to an equipment failure. This time it could be my turn to bring up the bottom. Doesn't really matter, it's fun and we always learn something even if what we learn is how bad we suck. :(
 
More people, more problems, shoot alone. Then it’s quiet, simple, enjoyable, how god meant it to be.

If you’re gonna choose to be around people, go into it knowing there will be noise. Science. Consistent as gravity. Problem is as old as time.

Simple really.
 
Greetings,
I started shooting high power, with a 7.62 M-1 Garand @ 12 yo. Both my dad and uncle were US Navy team shooters. I grew up with Highpower. I shot XC, Prone and Palma for decades. I had an OTJ injury to my elbow which killed my prone shooting. I started FTR in 2019. I watched F Class evolve, I had shot with George Farqharson in BC and was at Paul Bunyan in Puyallup, where George had a 16x weaver scope and a Harris bipod on his Palma rifle.
The courses of fire are the same. FTR and FO are a different game
 
I made sharpshooter w service rifle, f class isn't in my budget and no range close. Now if I could just hold a paper plate at 100-200 with a flintlock I'd be happy....father time,eyes,and powder flash.
 
I started off in this shooting thing back in 2019 shooting AR tactical the sling shooters did not care for us either, then I moved onto SR in 2022. I been going to camp perry last 3 yrs, this year will be year 4 for me this coming summer. I’m leg fodder I shoot 450-455 on a good day, some days I shoot 445 or worse. Do I enjoy it?? I think I enjoy the camaraderie more than anything. I don’t enjoy the shooting jacket in the 90degree camp perry weather, laying in prone at 600yds slung up is not fun. That’s probably why I enjoy f class it’s more layed back to me. No jackets, no sling etc, is f class easier? No because I shot some pretty dismal scores at 600 and 1k and I shot some great scores as well am I going to compete with the top f class shooters hell no, do I care? not really. Unfortunately after hanging out with some of the best sling shooters in the country in Ohio I couldn’t tell you why they dislike f class shooters. Most refer to it as the dark side lol. But I’m probably one of the odd ducks out there with me shooting both disciplines.
 

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