exporting scope
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butchlambert
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Well,
I ship scopes from time to time out of the USA with the knowledge of the USPS. It is claimed on the export paper work when it is shipped also.
They're may be restrictions on some tactical scopes, I don't know. You may want to check with the proper authorities, not us internet folks.
I ship scopes from time to time out of the USA with the knowledge of the USPS. It is claimed on the export paper work when it is shipped also.
They're may be restrictions on some tactical scopes, I don't know. You may want to check with the proper authorities, not us internet folks.
Dan Killough can tell you what it cost him when he shipped a scope to Canada Butch. In the end, he was given 3 choices: Customs keeps the scope - pay $200.00 to have the scope returned to him - go to court. He chose the $200.00 route, and said he would never try that again. I too have shipped a couple of scopes to Canada, but will never do it again. Too risky.butchlambert said:
butchlambert
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JRS said:
Dan,
I have not shipped scopes to Canada, but to NZ, Australia, and 3 Scandinavian countries.
Exporting means the scope is leaving the country it does not matter whether you ship to Canada of Australia a license is needed for the permanent export of most firearms related things, ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) covers the export of these items. The USPS really has no idea or role in enforcing ITAR rules the State Department is, so just because you list the item on the customs form and the USPS stamps off on it does not mean you have met ITAR requirements. The responsibility for knowing the laws is on you remember ignorance of the law is no excuse.
These regulations are federal so they do not have to make sense, it means there will be penalties if caught. I would not advertise that I had shipped something that is probably export restricted by ITAR, if I actually shipped it outside this country.
These regulations are federal so they do not have to make sense, it means there will be penalties if caught. I would not advertise that I had shipped something that is probably export restricted by ITAR, if I actually shipped it outside this country.
DennisH
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wwbrown said:
I looked into getting my "Import" license one time. After finding out what was involved and what myself and family would be subject to, I dropped the idea. They start watching you as soon as you send in your application and it get worse. It's like you become an instant criminal just for thinking about it.
All I wanted to do is import some items from Canada. Just believe me, it wasn't worth it. I guess it's good for our citizens and country, again, at our expense!
And the above statement is correct, YOU better know the law.
Dennis
JRS said:The U.S. doesn't have exclusive rights to Nightforce scopes. Nightforce ships their products all over the globe. What comes next? Banning the export of military boots and fatigues used by terrorists that we sell and ship to other countries :joshb said:
Well it actually is JRS, I contracted for our local USAF SAC Base Surplus Dept., we held auctions of equipment, furniture, parts, clothing, vehicles, etc...to register to bid you had to file an End Use certificate with No Export, no certificate no sale......as equipment came in to the Dept. that was on the Restricted List it was our job to make the items "unserviceable", when BDU's took over for fatigues we were busy shredding clothing, the best was drilling an 1 1/2" hole in the side wall of every loose tire that came through, car, truck or airplane.
I am not referring to government agencies. The civilian market is NOT restricted from selling those garments to other countries.Taildrag15X said:JRS said:The U.S. doesn't have exclusive rights to Nightforce scopes. Nightforce ships their products all over the globe. What comes next? Banning the export of military boots and fatigues used by terrorists that we sell and ship to other countries :joshb said:
Well it actually is JRS, I contracted for our local USAF SAC Base Surplus Dept., we held auctions of equipment, furniture, parts, clothing, vehicles, etc...to register to bid you had to file an End Use certificate with No Export, no certificate no sale......as equipment came in to the Dept. that was on the Restricted List it was our job to make the items "unserviceable", when BDU's took over for fatigues we were busy shredding clothing, the best was drilling an 1 1/2" hole in the side wall of every loose tire that came through, car, truck or airplane.
JRS said:I am not referring to government agencies. The civilian market is NOT restricted from selling those garments to other countries.Taildrag15X said:JRS said:The U.S. doesn't have exclusive rights to Nightforce scopes. Nightforce ships their products all over the globe. What comes next? Banning the export of military boots and fatigues used by terrorists that we sell and ship to other countries :joshb said:
Well it actually is JRS, I contracted for our local USAF SAC Base Surplus Dept., we held auctions of equipment, furniture, parts, clothing, vehicles, etc...to register to bid you had to file an End Use certificate with No Export, no certificate no sale......as equipment came in to the Dept. that was on the Restricted List it was our job to make the items "unserviceable", when BDU's took over for fatigues we were busy shredding clothing, the best was drilling an 1 1/2" hole in the side wall of every loose tire that came through, car, truck or airplane.
Yes they are if it's a Restricted Item, in most EU countries you can't have any military clothing unless you are a member of the military.
I love these discussions about export restrictions, a lot of the answers just go to show how ignorant a lot of people are about the ACTUAL items covered by the ITAR.
Here goes a list of scopes that Leupold say are covered by ITAR
http://www.leupold.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ITAR-FG.pdf
Last time I looked Leupold made a lot of other scopes that aren't on that list.
Now a business that sells scopes for a living actually state they ship International, but only those items not covered by ITAR.
http://www.theriflescopestore.com/shtoau.html
I am unsure which scopes were being shipped to Canada (as outlined earlier in this thread) but one thing I do know the firearms parts value restriction for those countries other than Canada is $100 while Canada is $500.
I have been told by some individuals that they aren't allowed to ship reloading dies out of the US, well the only reloading items restricted (apart from powder, primers and other components) are "automated" reloading equipment, I'm still trying to find that automated set of dies.......no matter how much training I give my dies they still won't do it automatically, it would save me a lot of time reloading if they did.
Recently I purchased an item from a private individual, he went to ship it and was told by UPS it's illegal to ship it International, so he phoned BATF and Homeland security, both agencies said it was OK to send it to that country, do he did ship it by USPS and it arrived.
Yet I've seen many say that you can't ship those things out of the US.
Roly check with BATF and Homeland security you may find that since the Weaver T36 doesn't have a mil dot reticle or other military reticle it is allowed to be exported to certain countries.
Here goes a list of scopes that Leupold say are covered by ITAR
http://www.leupold.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ITAR-FG.pdf
Last time I looked Leupold made a lot of other scopes that aren't on that list.
Now a business that sells scopes for a living actually state they ship International, but only those items not covered by ITAR.
http://www.theriflescopestore.com/shtoau.html
I am unsure which scopes were being shipped to Canada (as outlined earlier in this thread) but one thing I do know the firearms parts value restriction for those countries other than Canada is $100 while Canada is $500.
I have been told by some individuals that they aren't allowed to ship reloading dies out of the US, well the only reloading items restricted (apart from powder, primers and other components) are "automated" reloading equipment, I'm still trying to find that automated set of dies.......no matter how much training I give my dies they still won't do it automatically, it would save me a lot of time reloading if they did.
Recently I purchased an item from a private individual, he went to ship it and was told by UPS it's illegal to ship it International, so he phoned BATF and Homeland security, both agencies said it was OK to send it to that country, do he did ship it by USPS and it arrived.
Yet I've seen many say that you can't ship those things out of the US.
Roly check with BATF and Homeland security you may find that since the Weaver T36 doesn't have a mil dot reticle or other military reticle it is allowed to be exported to certain countries.
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