Electronic Scales

[Hippy]

I have been a reloader for 50+ YEARS and I would like some advice . I have USA made Rcbs 10-10 ,Charge Master and a Rcbs Digital that has to be 30 + years old.
Te digital just took a Puke NO I did not cuss it just thanked it and unplugged it I need to replace it have been using Homer's (Culver) measures 4EVER and trust them ,I have three including a Half Click unit
The one that died on me was 110 only seems like everything made now is a lot smaller as I understand everything has downsized in the electronic industry
This unit will be used on the bench ONLY and will not travel as I work my loads @ the range

Creedmoor Sports has one that appears well built--The smaller "Shirt Pocket " do NOT interest me

Thanx

Jim

 

[mudduck]

I have been using the creedmoor for a couple weeks now. Seems to be working well do get a little drifting ever so slightly

 

[Kracken McGraw]

What’s your budget Hippy?

 

[Liven The Dream]

If you shoot a lot or Matches ?
FX 120i is the one .
Shop Well and Save

 

[Dimner]

I love my Creedmoor scale. Got it on sale, has really stepped up my reloading

 

[sqrlgtr]

If you shoot a lot or Matches ?
FX 120i is the one .
Shop Well and Save

This is one of the better reloading investments I've made (FX-120i) IMHO. Threw powder charges lite then used Little Dandy to trickle up for a few years (worked great), now have the V4 Autotrickler FX 120i combo, and like it even better now. I came from a Gem Pro 250 and RCBS 1010 before converting over to the FX-120i and the FX-120i is in a different league in my opinion.

 

[SKWERLZ]

FX-120 is certainly a solid investment.
Creedmoor scale is certainly an option and rumor is a powder handling setup is in the works for it.

 

[Dimner]

What I like about the Creedmoor is the excellent checkweights that it comes with coupled with the software program that uses them at startup. Very confidence building. My ES/SDs are lower since i switched from the 10-10.

In my experience, the 10-10 is great until you want to get below 3/4 moa loads and want to do it with any kind of speed. Human (me being the human) error with the 10-10 on very precise loads was also a factor.

I blame you all for the fact the 3/4 moa is no longer acceptable

 

[Chris Edmondson]

I blame you all for the fact the 3/4 moa is no longer acceptable

My wife takes one look at me after a range session and says " Lemme guess, 3/4 MOA day?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

What I like about the Creedmoor is the excellent checkweights that it comes with coupled with the software program that uses them at startup. Very confidence building. My ES/SDs are lower since i switched from the 10-10.

In my experience, the 10-10 is great until you want to get below 3/4 moa loads and want to do it with any kind of speed. Human (me being the human) error with the 10-10 on very precise loads was also a factor.

I blame you all for the fact the 3/4 moa is no longer acceptable

Do you think the reason for your loads being better is because the new scale weighs to the hundredths instead of tenths?

 

[R.Morehouse]

Hippy
If you are having fun inside of 500yds I would just stick with your Chargemaster. Many records have been set at shorter ranges just throwing charges. I went from a nice digital set-up back to a tuned beam scale viewed through a laptop and haven't missed a beat.

Regards
Rick

 

[Dimner]

Do you think the reason for your loads being better is because the new scale weighs to the hundredths instead of tenths?

Honestly I'm not sure. My gut says yes. But also, I have been thinking the 10-10 may need a tuneup. It was close to good... but if I trickled a charge, especially with ball powder, it would show a little bit different of a reading if i took the loaded pan off and put it back on again.

My biggest gain with the Creedmoor scale has been with ball powders. For me, that hundredths place is important. If anything it helps my confidence.

Edit to mention: I also have been weight sorting bullets with it as well. So that's another variable to toss into the equation.

 

[6Creed73]

Honestly I'm not sure. My gut says yes. But also, I have been thinking the 10-10 may need a tuneup. It was close to good... but if I trickled a charge, especially with ball powder, it would show a little bit different of a reading if i took the loaded pan off and put it back on again.

My biggest gain with the Creedmoor scale has been with ball powders. For me, that hundredths place is important. If anything it helps my confidence.

Edit to mention: I also have been weight sorting bullets with it as well. So that's another variable to toss into the equation.

My experience with beam scales is the same. Weigh a charge, remove pan, add same pan/charge back and get a different reading. Same with the zero. I can zero and level the scale, then remove the pan and put it back again and it's no longer zeroed. I even went the whole route with a web camera and tablet so I could see exactly where the needle was to make sure it wasn't a parallax thing.

Just doesn't inspire confidence in the charge weights. My digital scale is always spot on.

 

[R.Morehouse]

My experience with beam scales is the same. Weigh a charge, remove pan, add same pan/charge back and get a different reading. Same with the zero. I can zero and level the scale, then remove the pan and put it back again and it's no longer zeroed. I even went the whole route with a web camera and tablet so I could see exactly where the needle was to make sure it wasn't a parallax thing.

Just doesn't inspire confidence in the charge weights. My digital scale is always spot on.

Wow, that's interesting. I have 2 professionally tuned beam scales that I used to check the electronic scales I was using and found I had to keep a very close eye on the electronic scales for drift. Myself, being a very low-volume loader that has all the time I need, I chose to go with the tuned beam scales to take the electronic drift dynamic out of my charging process.....The older I get the more K.I.S.S. seems to come into play....LOL

Regards
Rick

 

[cdgaydos]

I have a Chargemaster Lite, Gempro 250 (an old one)… and recently purchased the Creedmoor scale… I really like the creedmoor. The GemPro was/is solid, but I like the Creedmoor better. The Chargemaster is +/-0.1 grns. If you want better than +/- 0.1grns, I think the Creedmoor is a good option that is not outrageously expensive… they do go on sale…

 

[6Creed73]

Wow, that's interesting. I have 2 professionally tuned beam scales that I used to check the electronic scales I was using and found I had to keep a very close eye on the electronic scales for drift. Myself, being a very low-volume loader that has all the time I need, I chose to go with the tuned beam scales to take the electronic drift dynamic out of my charging process.....The older I get the more K.I.S.S. seems to come into play....LOL

Regards
Rick

The beam scales I have are not tuned, one is a RCBS 10-10 and the other is a new Hornady w/magnetic dampening. Both had the same problem. I bought a Lyman M5 scale awhile ago with the intention of getting it tuned, but I never used it and sold it recently.

I'm a systems engineer and have an engineers brain, lol, I want everything to be PRECISE. So some of it is probably me obsessing over the slightest lack of repeatability. I put a chunk of money into a good digital lab scale and it's been great.

One thing about digital scales is they need clean power. A line conditioner goes a long way with making a digital scale operate well. Another thing is most drift with digital scales comes from zeroing out the pan and repeatedly removing it and placing it back on the scale. My scale rarely drifts, but to eliminate it altogether, I only zero the pan to get my initial charge weight. So I zero the pan and trickle to my desired charge. Then I remove the pan, zero the scale and place the pan/charge back on the scale. Now I know the weight of the powder charge with the pan. This is the weight I use when weighing the rest of my charges. Doing it this way there won't be any zero drift because it's not zeroed to the pan weight.

 

[JFrank]

The Creedmoor scale does not have adjustable leveling feet, I’m not sure why … anyway here’s additional reading.

Looking for a new scale

I have a couple of scales I reload with right now. I have a Truweight which is pretty much worthless, drifts two tenths of a grain all the time. I use my Redding beam scale which I thought was pretty accurate. It turns out it may not be. I'm trying to improve my powder measuring so I'm looking...

forum.accurateshooter.com

 

[Kiwishooter]

Honestly I'm not sure. My gut says yes. But also, I have been thinking the 10-10 may need a tuneup. It was close to good... but if I trickled a charge, especially with ball powder, it would show a little bit different of a reading if i took the loaded pan off and put it back on again.

My biggest gain with the Creedmoor scale has been with ball powders. For me, that hundredths place is important. If anything it helps my confidence.

Edit to mention: I also have been weight sorting bullets with it as well. So that's another variable to toss into the equation.

I have a set of Ohaus 10-10 that have been tuned by Scott Parker, they don't exhibit the same traits as your RCBS 10-10's The Ohaus are more reliable and consistent than most digital scales.
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I agree with Rick, my philosophy is also to K.I.S.S and I still use a powder thrower for a lot of my powders and trickle

 

[Kracken McGraw]

and I still use a powder thrower for a lot of my powders and trickle

I do too, and I’m sure second guessing myself some evenings.

 

[kiwijohn]

Anybody looked at the newish Hornady precision lab scale? If you couple one of them with their vibra trickler it would be a good mid range cost choice.