Electronic powder dispenser recommendation...

[Doom]

@stevieb92,

You drift explanation doesn't make sense to me. If you are saying that the empty pan weight is moving by 0.7gr over a loading session this is a big issue assuming the scale is auto zeroing every time you replace the pan. Such an issue is not drift in the classical sense. You need to evaluate your scale. I would test it in the following way.

1) With the powder hopper empty locate the scale in an environment where the temperature is fairly constant (house?) on a solid surface and level it.
2) Power the scale on for one hour.
3) After 1 hour, calibrate the scale per the CM instructions.
4) After calibration and without pan, weigh each of the 50 gram weights (use grain scale) and record.
5) Wait at least 20 seconds and then press zero. NOTE: Close wind screen on all weighing/calibration operations)
6) Verify that the scale zeroed. Place the pan on the scale platen and wait 10 seconds then record the weight.
7) Remove the pan and wait 10 seconds before replacing the pan and weighing the pan as in the above step until you have 20 weight reading. Remove the pan from the scale after the last reading.

Wait 20 minutes then repeat steps 6 and 7. Then weigh and record the calibration weight weights.

Do not recalibrate the scale during this test! Do not manually re-zero at any point after the first on in step 5.

If can put the data in Excel and PM it to me I will evaluate it to see what is going on.

 

[wildcatter]

I use a rcbs lite, ya it's a tad slower than the CM but I have yet found it to slow, charging 222 rem 6ppc and 6br. I charge grab a bullet seat it and by the time I place the loaded round in my ammo box it's time to dump the next charge in my case. Repeat the cadence.

As far as drift??? My charge may be off a tenth when first set on the tray but my stable light is not on and in one second or less the weight will zero and the stable light appears. I've never checked a charge and been off, always spot on, even after a break and good to go from a restart without referring.

Now I don't use auto! I always use manual mode and hit the go button when I'm ready to charge. This way I can't start a charge till the stable light comes up, the scale is zero at the point. Tried the auto once but didn't like it, never tested it, just didn't care for it.

I have no desire to try another thrower.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I use a rcbs lite, ya it's a tad slower than the CM but I have yet found it to slow, charging 222 rem 6ppc and 6br. I charge grab a bullet seat it and by the time I place the loaded round in my ammo box it's time to dump the next charge in my case. Repeat the cadence.

As far as drift??? My charge may be off a tenth when first set on the tray but my stable light is not on and in one second or less the weight will zero and the stable light appears. I've never checked a charge and been off, always spot on, even after a break and good to go from a restart without referring.

Now I don't use auto! I always use manual mode and hit the go button when I'm ready to charge. This way I can't start a charge till the stable light comes up, the scale is zero at the point. Tried the auto once but didn't like it, never tested it, just didn't care for it.

I have no desire to try another thrower.

Looks like RCBS has a $40 rebate going on for the Link model, plus you can get 10% off the regular price at a couple of places now .

 

[6Creed73]

For my precision rifle rounds, I trickle onto a very sensitive magnetic force balance. But for my gas guns and plinking rounds, I wanted something quicker and more precise than just throwing charges. So I picked up the Frankford Arsenal Intelidropper without high hopes.

But I'm very pleasantly surprised, it rarely has zero drift. I've compared it's charges against my other scale and it's also very consistent. I got a very good deal on it through my Expert Voice membership...so I wasn't going to worry too much if it ended up on the shelf of things to never be used. So far though, I think it will stay on the bench.

By the way, I plug my electronic scales into a line conditioner, so that may be why I don't see a lot of drift.

 

[wildcatter]

For my precision rifle rounds, I trickle onto a very sensitive magnetic force balance. But for my gas guns and plinking rounds, I wanted something quicker and more precise than just throwing charges. So I picked up the Frankford Arsenal Intelidropper without high hopes.

But I'm very pleasantly surprised, it rarely has zero drift. I've compared it's charges against my other scale and it's also very consistent. I got a very good deal on it through my Expert Voice membership...so I wasn't going to worry too much if it ended up on the shelf of things to never be used. So far though, I think it will stay on the bench.

By the way, I plug my electronic scales into a line conditioner, so that may be why I don't see a lot of drift.

Benchrest shooters, the most extreme accuracy game in the world! Today they use the electronic throwers, the majority use the RCBS models and shoot the tightest groups of any competition. There are faster and more expensive, but if less than .1 grains is your goal they all give you that. FASTER than I can throw and trickle every charge.

I used to throw and trickle on the highly accurate balance beam scales as well. NO MORE! they are no more accurate than these newer electric. Plus I can use a battery pack with a 2 dollar power cord and it's portable, tune at the range, and even in the wind, with wind screen down I'm guaranteed spot on to less than .1 grain. Just no way to load EASIER, MORE ACCURATE, OR FASTER, if precision loads are the goal.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Benchrest shooters, the most extreme accuracy game in the world! Today they use the electronic throwers, the majority use the RCBS models and shoot the tightest groups of any competition. There are faster and more expensive, but if less than .1 grains is your goal they all give you that. FASTER than I can throw and trickle every charge.

I used to throw and trickle on the highly accurate balance beam scales as well. NO MORE! they are no more accurate than these newer electric. Plus I can use a battery pack with a 2 dollar power cord and it's portable, tune at the range, and even in the wind, with wind screen down I'm guaranteed spot on to less than .1 grain. Just no way to load EASIER, MORE ACCURATE, OR FASTER, if precision loads are the goal.

Have you seen anyone use the new Hornady pro auto charge one compared to the RCBS?

 

[6Creed73]

Benchrest shooters, the most extreme accuracy game in the world! Today they use the electronic throwers, the majority use the RCBS models and shoot the tightest groups of any competition. There are faster and more expensive, but if less than .1 grains is your goal they all give you that. FASTER than I can throw and trickle every charge.

I used to throw and trickle on the highly accurate balance beam scales as well. NO MORE! they are no more accurate than these newer electric. Plus I can use a battery pack with a 2 dollar power cord and it's portable, tune at the range, and even in the wind, with wind screen down I'm guaranteed spot on to less than .1 grain. Just no way to load EASIER, MORE ACCURATE, OR FASTER, if precision loads are the goal.

I don't doubt it. I've been using a mechanical thrower with a trickler for years and it's just what has worked very well for me. Is it really an advantage that I can get my weight within 1 kernal and within 0.01gr? Probably not...but my OCD is appeased by it, lol.

With that said, this FA electronic thrower I got for my plinking rounds has shown me that these can be pretty consistent. I just loaded up 100 300BLK subsonic rounds in about half the time of trickling. I certainly welcome the time save.

 

[wildcatter]

Have you seen anyone use the new Hornady pro auto charge one compared to the RCBS?

No but next week I plan a trip to the Nationals and will be checking that out. In my 70 years I have seen everything. Im sure if its not there, someone tried it.

I been throwing my match ammo for decades till 3 years ago, then that electronic proved to me as accurate as the magnetic was, I was wasting my time and could not weigh my charges out with my trickle charger any better than this RCBS LIGHT.

When you running single digit extreme spreads, as low as 2.7 fps for my 6BR, with Varget, to 7.9 for 5 shot strings, it's better than I can visually trickle. My ppc with faster powder 133, and my 222 with LT-32 both will give 7 to 13 fps spreads most of the time with one string a little closer now and then. I just can't do better than that struggling with the magnetic scale, and this is a lot easier on my old eyes.

 

[6Creed73]

No but next week I plan a trip to the Nationals and will be checking that out. In my 70 years I have seen everything. Im sure if its not there, someone tried it.

I been throwing my match ammo for decades till 3 years ago, then that electronic proved to me as accurate as the magnetic was, I was wasting my time and could not weigh my charges out with my trickle charger any better than this RCBS LIGHT.

When you running single digit extreme spreads, as low as 2.7 fps for my 6BR, with Varget, to 7.9 for 5 shot strings, it's better than I can visually trickle. My ppc with faster powder 133, and my 222 with LT-32 both will give 7 to 13 fps spreads most of the time with one string a little closer now and then. I just can't do better than that struggling with the magnetic scale, and this is a lot easier on my old eyes.

Ah...so you were trickling with a magnetic dampening beam scale? Yeah, that's way too slow for me. When I said I trickle with a magnetic force balance, I'm talking about an electronic analytical scale.

Most of the scales in the electronic throwers use strain gauge technology, which is good, but prone to drift and not quite as precise as the magnetic force scales. Mine has a resolution to 0.000 grains and accurate to 0.01 grains. It's still not as fast as an electronic thrower, but quite a bit faster than using a beam scale...and very accurate. Here's mine

 

[Kracken McGraw]

No but next week I plan a trip to the Nationals and will be checking that out. In my 70 years I have seen everything. Im sure if its not there, someone tried it.

I been throwing my match ammo for decades till 3 years ago, then that electronic proved to me as accurate as the magnetic was, I was wasting my time and could not weigh my charges out with my trickle charger any better than this RCBS LIGHT.

When you running single digit extreme spreads, as low as 2.7 fps for my 6BR, with Varget, to 7.9 for 5 shot strings, it's better than I can visually trickle. My ppc with faster powder 133, and my 222 with LT-32 both will give 7 to 13 fps spreads most of the time with one string a little closer now and then. I just can't do better than that struggling with the magnetic scale, and this is a lot easier on my old eyes.

That’s very interesting. I spend a lot of time trickling and time is hard to find.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Get an Autotrickler. Either a V3 or the new V4. Both work great with 4350.

But get the ingenuity precision trickler thing. So far superior it’s not even close and not much more up front cost. V3 and ingenuity. <10 seconds per charge. Probably 8 seconds. Yeah, worth it. Use two cups if you’re really into speed.

 

[wildcatter]

That’s very interesting. I spend a lot of time trickling and time is hard to find.

You know 30 years ago we thought if you can't throw a charge and win with that load you just didn't have a good enough load. 15 years maybe 20, we had the nicest custom powder throughers introduced we could imagine.

Then we found the older less sophisticated measures weren't close enough in charges to compete With the newer better designed more repeatable throwers.

Today, well I think it's impossible to throw better charges than what we have today with the electronic throwers. Ya some are better in speed, some easier to load and dump, pack and store, etc etc.

But one thing I've learned shootings short range benchrest for over 30 years, is that there are those that will never accept as good as it gets! In fact, this is why we have the accessories and components we have today. The folks in this sport never are satisfied, they will pick anything apart till they find the smallest gain and we're on another new venture, this makes shooting today as good as gets,,,,,,, today!